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  My surreal district convention

  by RunningMan in

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  well, i just got back from yet another summer ass-marathon.

  seventeen hours of sitting in hockey arena seats that were made for three hour games, trying to stay awake, while not losing contact with my extremities.. needless to say, the program was dull and boring.

  in fact, i'm not completely sure that they didnt just re-run last year's.

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  Farkel, you should add that to the aposates glossary of JW terms...I liked it

  I heard the phrase Jehomo tossed around the other day, laughed my ass off
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  SOMETHING THAT IRRITATES ME

  by bay64me in

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  ok, so it's maby to be viewed as a minor irritation but annoying all the same.

  i can't help getting peed off when i see tv programmes showing music clips and videos that were out when i was in!.

  it makes me sad to think that i missed out on so much good stuff, when all the while i thought i was keeping myself "unspotted" by not having any part of the world!.

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  You can feel happy knowing that Aha has just released a new album after a 12 year hiatus -- so you're still cool if you born in the late. Get on your trenchcoat and mope like it's 1982!
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  Reason vs. Faith, Good article

  by The_Bad_Seed in

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  this is an article i dug up on the ayn rand institute website, written by peter schwartz that i found to be logical and timely, and felt some could benefit upon reading it.

  enjoy!

  reason vs. faith by peter schwartz.

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  The_Bad_Seed

  This is an article I dug up on the Ayn Rand Institute website, written by Peter Schwartz that I found to be logical and timely, and felt some could benefit upon reading it. Enjoy!

  Reason vs. Faith by Peter Schwartz
  
  In todays industrial civilization, people recognize the difference between the secular and the religious. Even those who believe in the Bible, for example, would generally not proclaim Scripture to be science any more than those who faithfully read their horoscopes would declare astrology to be part of astronomy.

  Pope John Paul IIs recent encyclical, however, seeks to erase that distinction. Titled "Faith and Reason," it seeks to "unite" the religious and the secular in order to establish dominion by the former over the latter. How does the Pope try to do this? By presenting the Church an arch-enemy of reason as reasons friend.

  Faith and reason represent antithetical philosophies. The advocates of faith declare that we must accept as true that which is unknowable to the rational mind that we must believe the pronouncements of some "higher" authority in the absence of any objective evidence, or in outright contradiction to the evidence.
  
  The advocates of reason, on the other hand, maintain that man grasps the truth solely by a process of reason, which is based on the data provided by the senses.
  
  What, then, does the Pope mean when he calls for a "unity between the knowledge of reason and the knowledge of faith"? Does he mean that reason is to be used to reach conclusions contrary to Church tenets? That is obviously intolerable to the Pope as he makes clear throughout the encyclical:
  

  "The Christian faithful not only have no right to defend as legitimate scientific conclusions opinions which are contrary to the doctrine of the faith,...but they are strictly obliged to regard them as errors which have no more than a fraudulent semblance of truth."
  
  "Unity" thus means that reason is to be used whenever faith allows it. This amounts to the repudiation of reason, as it is relegated to the role of religions handmaiden.
  
  At any moment, and across any lifetime, the choice is always either/or: either follow your reasoning mind, or abandon it and place something above it. There is no "middle-of-the-road."

  The entire encyclical is an insidious attack on reason, and on the human capacity and the human right to live by means of ones rational thinking.
  
  The Pope ascribes such modern evils as moral relativism and totalitarianism to what he calls "the crisis of rationalism" i.e., the replacement of faith by reason. But the reverse is true: these evils are the product of the same anti-reason philosophy endorsed by the Pope.
  
  Moral relativism holds that there are no rational, universal principles of ethics, but only arbitrary preferences. It holds that since reason is an inadequate guide, we should blindly follow our emotions. The religionist too says that reason is unreliable and that we should blindly accept the dictates of the Church. One says, "It is so because I feel it"; the other, "It is so because I believe it." Neither says: "It is so because it can be proved."
  
  Totalitarianism, too, is a product not of reason but of its opposite. For it is faith that requires force to implement its beliefs. If two rational people disagree, they use logic to try to persuade one another. And if they fail to agree, they understand that each individual ought to follow the convictions of his own mind, free from the threat of force.
  
  But if mystical faith is the basis of knowledge, logic and persuasion are irrelevant. There is only the brute assertion: "Well, thats what I feel like believing and I believe that you better believe it too." There is no recourse but force.
  
  Throughout history, wherever religion has dominated, freedom has disappeared. From the Catholic Inquisitions persecution of Galileo for accepting the evidence of his mind, to the Iranian Ayatollahs sentencing of Salman Rushdie to death for expressing his views about Islam, to the current attacks on abortion clinics in the name of religion the only way mysticism has been implemented is by force.
  
  The Pope wants man to be governed by faith. But he does not want the faithful simply to renounce the modern world of reason the world of science, of technology, of productive thought; he wants to rule that world too. So he "unites" the two realms in order that the Church can eventually reign over everything.
  
  At root, the Pope wants to return to the Medieval era, when philosophy was theology, when "science" was just an examination of revelations and miracles, when the reigning "thinkers" the Scholasticists taught the Bible as the source of all truth. The Pope wants todays intellectuals also to nominally use "reason" but only as directed and circumscribed by the edicts of faith.
  
  There is indeed an urgent need to defend reason. But let the battle lines be clear. The war is between those who subordinate reason to other considerations whether subjective whims or supernatural dogmas and those who intransigently uphold it.

  Edited by - The_Bad_Seed on 8 July 2002 13:29:24
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  notes from the underground

  by Incense_and_Peppermints in

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  the secret private jw message board, that is .

  so, how do they determine this, exactly?

  (whether or not someone is in "good standing".

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  I think, seeing as this person so foolishly posted their email address, that I am going to request a spot on the cruise. I'll post the reply when I get it, even rif-raf need vacations you know.
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  Do you care that you offend JW's?

  by wholewheat in

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  this is a sincere question.

  do you worry about offending active witnesses?

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  I am terribly concerned about offending Jehovahs Witnesses. They mean so very much to me, and add untold positive benefits to my quality of living.
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  notes from the underground

  by Incense_and_Peppermints in

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  the secret private jw message board, that is .

  so, how do they determine this, exactly?

  (whether or not someone is in "good standing".

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  That is BEYOND lame...
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  In the beginning...

  by The_Bad_Seed in

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  there are far less jw posters on this site than i had originally thought there would be, and was happy to find far more xjw's than i thought existed on the internet, and am curious if it was simons intention to create a board solely for jehovahs witnesses thoughts or interpretations in the beginning, or if he had intended this site to become a 'meet and greet' for those who left (or got booted from) the borg, or both?

  the reason i ask, is that the wts teaches that surfing the internet 'while being an educational tool' is roughly the equivalent of camping out in satans colon, and i can only imagine a site not (just an educated guess) sponsored by the wts with the slogan "discussion forum for anything jw related...everyone is welcome!

  " could only seen as a roadmap into the devils gaping piehole.. i'm pretty green around here, and was just wondering..

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  There are far less JW posters on this site than I had originally thought there would be, and was happy to find far more XJW's than I thought existed on the internet, and am curious if it was Simons intention to create a board solely for Jehovahs Witnesses thoughts or interpretations in the beginning, or if he had intended this site to become a 'meet and greet' for those who left (or got booted from) the Borg, or both?

  The reason I ask, is that the WTS teaches that surfing the internet 'while being an educational tool' is roughly the equivalent of camping out in Satans colon, and I can only imagine a site not (just an educated guess) sponsored by the WTS with the slogan "Discussion forum for anything JW related...everyone is welcome!" could only seen as a roadmap into the Devils gaping piehole.

  I'm pretty green around here, and was just wondering.
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  Looking for recruits!

  by The_Bad_Seed in

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  i am starting a zine by the name of asleep!, and am looking for mock articles, humor, cartoons, experiences, anything worthy of print looking in on the wts.

  no submissions will be taken from naeblis -- he is really a zealous travelling overseer serving yhwh in the pacific northwest!.

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  Looks like there will be no momentum problems! Every contributor shall be rewarded with 2 weeks microphone privelidges per article, or if you are of the female persuasion, handmade Persian headcoverings per 3 articles!
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  The Bible: It does'nt make sense

  by Leander in

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  as i was exercising this morning i was thinking about my decision to step down as a ministerial servant and also to stop attending religious functions of any kind.

  i've often felt that jws were somewhat flawed in their interpertation of the scriptures, but this morning it kind of hit me all at once that no 2 religions are going to have the exact same beliefs even though both religions might be using the same translation of the bible.

  this disturbing fact raises quite a few thought provoking questions:.

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  Question: "Why would Great God Jehovah allow 32,000 of His children die of starvation each day?"

  Answer: "Because he is a loving God!"
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  How many did YOU recruit?

  by In_between_days in

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  just a quick question, and one that seems to take jehovahs witnesses back a little, an extremely good question to ask a pioneer.

  "so, with all your hours of service, how many people have you actually brought into the jehovahs witness organisation?".

  um.... genuinely, 100% of my old jw freinds have all been raised in the organisation.

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  The_Bad_Seed

  If there were JW trading cards made up, my card would have been the one that you had 20 of, and just couldn't trade off because my stats sucked so bad. 18A in the Borg, 0 studies, 0 success stories, except that is, myself -- when I ran from the WTS like a scalded cat.