Posts by TheOldHippie

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2016 SPECIAL TALK---ARE YOU ON THE ROAD TO EVERLASTING LIFE?

by suavojr in

jw
friends

are you on the road to everlasting life?.

note to the speaker: help bible students and interested ones to understand why and how to make further spiritual progress..

emphasize the many sources of help available, and warmly encourage them to act without delay.

TheOldHippie

"This reminds me a bit of the time an elder called at my door and invited me to study his bible. (This must have been before I was officially labelled a dangerous apostate). 'I'd love to' I said. 'Which scholars have you studied?'. I mentioned a few (Bart Ehrman comes to mind). He mentioned a name (can't remember it now) and I asked him to write it down so that I could check out his preferred scholar's credentials. End of invitation to 'study the bible', end of conversation."

Oh how great you are, you really must be something, quite a scholar youself, having studied the scholars who have studied other scholars who have studied the Bible. Really clever. Is it now that we all should take off our hats and make a reverential bow to you, pay obeisance as it were?

TOH

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Did Geoffrey Jackson Commit Perjury, or Just "Spiritual Warfare"?

by The Searcher in

mr. jackson was pressured by angus stewart to answer if the org condoned corporal punishment, to which he openly stated that the org does not condone corporal punishment for j.w.

children.

this "fact" has never been revealed in the org's literature, in fact, this article which was published under geoffrey jackson's supervision, by definition demonstrates the org's approval of corporal punishment for j.w.

TheOldHippie

As for the W06 quote at the beginning of this thread, you should be aware of the fact that in countries where physical punishment / spanking is forbidden by law, as in most European countries, the wording is different, and there is no mention of spanking. The rod mentioned is an oral rod. So outside of the USA, spanking definitely is a no-no in many countires.

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JW org: all take and no give?

by Half banana in

just a thought here, prompted by oppostates thread on magazine money owed to the org..

if an average congregation coughs up $3500 per year just on mags alone... and there are 114,416 congs world-wide; that would mean that jw suckers are feeding the ravenous maw of the org by $400,456,000 (heading towards half a billion dollars) each year.

this does not include other literature, or ...money so cleverly pledged in perpetuity for khs that the punters will never own even if they pay for them and build them, not to mention the vast income from property appreciation and major stock investments... and then there is the shameless raiding of family inheritances plus other sundry monies gifted to them..

TheOldHippie

"I assume that even the poorest congs in the third world buy literature at the same volume and price as the richer ones do but are they able to pay the pledged amount at $200 p/m? "

You must be joking. In countries where people are lucky to make 1$ a day per family, close to nothing is donated. Their KHs are sponsored by the wealthier countries. Again, generalizations based on wealthy, white congregations or areas are worthless. I live in an economically average, racially mixed area - in the Western world - and the monthly donation all included is some 400$.

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NWT is soooo inaccurate....

by iwasblind in

hi this is for the lurkers.. please start reading from another translation and use tools like www.biblehub.com to verify the differences you find.. biblehub has an interlinear and a strongs concordance and heaps of dictionaries and commentaries.. you don't have to be a translator but you can clearly see how the watchtower bible and tract society has changed the bible to devalue jesus, to support their idea of a paradise earth hope for christians and many other false doctrines.. i could never understand why the jw's where attacked when they chose to translate the bible - now i know.. seriously people, there are a lot smarter people than me on this forum and heaps of research.

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don't be afraid of the truth!.

TheOldHippie

Strange then, that Jason BeDuhn acknowledges it - together with the Catholic New Jerusalem Bible - to be the most accurate and least corrupted one among the ones he investigated. (Apart from the use of THE NAME in the NT.)

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Had to go to a JW funeral yesterday.

by Crazyguy in

it's amazing how ones shun former witnesses or faders.

a couple of people said high to me that know i do not go but the rest no.

but the main reason i post is how ridiculous the funeral talk was.

TheOldHippie

When my neighbour (man, 65 years old) died a couple of years ago, I went to the Protestant funeral, and the priest told that in my Father's House there are many rooms - one for playing with Barbie dolls, one for playing with electric trains, one for playing soccer - yeah, so much for respectful funerals. I sat there feeling ashamed that I call myself a Christian and hoping the others attending would not think I also believe such bullshit.

The JW funerals I have attended have been 90 % good. The non-JW funerals have been mostly bad, but a fe have been good. One excellent was held by two so-called "street priets" (working among addicts, homeless, and one excellent was held for my father, by a leading protestant Bishop.

So as with most things in this world - generalization is harmful.

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This article indicates the org will consider policy changes

by defender of truth in

i think they were just telling the arc what they wanted to hear.. what do you think?.

couple of interesting quotes:.

"mr o'brien, co-ordinator of the church's australian branch committee, told the commission the organisation was "open to change".. in evidence, he said the committee would consider the greater involvement of women in child sex abuse cases, clearer guidance for elders hearing allegations and better communication with victims and their families about their legal options.. mr o'brien told the commission the church did not have a redress scheme for sex abuse victims but would consider establishing one.. vincent toole, head of the church's watchtower bible and tract society, told the commission he would seek independent legal advice about the church's obligations to report child sex abuse to the authorities.. justice mcclellan asked mr toole if he understood there was a general obligation for every citizen to report crimes to the authorities.. "coming to this commission has been a wake-up call for me, i can assure you," mr toole said.. www.smh.com.au/nsw/royal-commission-jehovahs-witnesses-to-review-approach-to-sex-abuse-allegations-20150805-gis2fh.html.

TheOldHippie

Got to be good news, hasn't it?

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Just for the record Vincent Toole and Terrence Obrien you are both lying SOBs

by joe134cd in

i just thought i would mention this on the off chance they might be lurking here.

the two quotes are.

(1)vincent toole ="i've never heard of the term 'theocratic warfare'".

TheOldHippie

"(2) Terrence Obrien "people are free to leave or become inactive without being viewed negatively"

Speaking from personal experience I had people tell me,,,,,,,"

Speaking from MY personal experience, in my congregation's district there are some 8-10 inactive ones, and they are greeted and well treated by everone in the congregation, visited from time to time etc. One of them has been an elder, two servants. So it is a risky business to try to broaden one's own personal experience to be the one and only truth for the entire world. I never would try to say my experience is the universal one, and perhaps neither should you.

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[Day 7 - 5/8]The Royal Commissions investigation of child sexual abuse within Jehovah’s Witnesses. + VIDEO

by C0ntr013r in

i give you day 7 of the royal commissions proceedings:.

part 1 has been uploaded and part 2 and 3 will soon be available.. part 1:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk0lgqedy_i.

TheOldHippie

OrphanCrow, when you say that "The JWs were arrested in Germany because they wouldn't stop spreading political propaganda around and calling it "religious tracts". It wasn't that they were "non-military" it was because they were adversely political." -

then you come up with the - sorry for saying so - most stupid statement of the day. A plain lie, and no matter what one thinks about present-day JWs and WT, that does in no way make it legitime to minimize their sufferings during WWII or to try to explain it away or claim it was their own fault. Shame on you in this respect. Downplaying past tragedies because of present-day policies is just plain wrong and bad.

TOH

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J.W.'s Banned in Russia?

by The Searcher in

anyone heard anything about this report on a j.w.

app?

TheOldHippie

You are talking around each other. jw.org has been banned - blocked - in all Russia.

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Those aussie elders may escape repercussions after all....RC day 3

by Witness My Fury in

damn those tricky state laws: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmeg1omfumk 15:30 on.

annoying no?.

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TheOldHippie

I find the question of whether one in this or that state or country is required to report or not, and to call HQ Legal to find out which one it is - is so STRANGE. Speaking for myself, I can only say that the moment I was told something or got the impression that this was going on - there was just one thing to do, call the cops, or at least call some official child protection agency that I knew would take action. The thought that you would have to call someone to hear if you are obliged to report it - is as said so weird.