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  Latest UN info; 7:00 pm eastern time

  by biblexaminer in

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  latest un information as of 7:00 pm eastern time (canada/us).

  i spoke to the man who heads the ngo office at united nations headquarters.

  i will not release his name at this point because i was asked not to by the individual who gave me the contact information.

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  TheOldHippie

  Fodeja, who ever told you I was "meek"?
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  SPIRITUAL TERRORISM IN RUSSIA???

  by MacHislopp in

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  please dont be afraid....it is only a. question.

  read these articles and youll see.. .

  from this link:.

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  TheOldHippie

  Is it not just wonderful, how one can turn to old Stalinists to get one's views on the Witnesses confirmed? I guess you have read the so-called "Expert" statements in connection with the Moscow trial, too, and reading those Stalinist statements is what makes MY spine chill.
  Reminds me of my father, who financed my drug abuse, but threw me out because of my association with the Witnesses .........
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  Latest UN info; 7:00 pm eastern time

  by biblexaminer in

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  latest un information as of 7:00 pm eastern time (canada/us).

  i spoke to the man who heads the ngo office at united nations headquarters.

  i will not release his name at this point because i was asked not to by the individual who gave me the contact information.

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  TheOldHippie

  Why couldn't Biblexaminer just have asked the questions he liked to ask, in stead of mixing in all that bullshit along with it? Why not do like others I know have done, namely write a letter to the Watchtower asking about it? Why lying about facing divorces, loss of house, friends etc.? Letters never hurt if you write them to find the answers.
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  Where does the WBTS stand on Anti Depressants?

  by LizardSnot in

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  first, some background info:.

  my mother is a 4 meeting a week, no field service, 26 year veteran .

  of the jehovah's witness who just moved in.

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  TheOldHippie

  Sorry to disappoint you, Ranchette, but in none of the congregations I know of, is the situation like the one you mention. See how dangerous it is to generalize based on the meager experiences we personally have?
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  The Painting-Do You See It?

  by messenger in

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  how do you feel after seeing the truth about the truth"?

  perhaps the following illustration posted on wol might help you to define your thinking.

  a brother and his wife were visiting the holocaust museum, and from a little distance, they spotted a nazi-era painting hanging at the end of a hallway.

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  TheOldHippie

  "cruel elders", yeah, if it weren't for cruel persons like me, it would be just all right, would it not? Nice basics for a discussion; and perhaps you see why exchange of thoughts seems rather fruitless ....
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  "True JWs in Romania"(hey norm!)

  by sf in

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  this site has many links to many old wt mags:.

  < http://the-true-jw.oltenia.ro/index.html.

  also, look at these truly terrifying photos:.

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  TheOldHippie

  But before you all start rejoicing too much at this group, remember they are Rutherfordians - and that is even worse than being Henschelians in your eyes, is it not?
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  Interesting point about the WT-UN thing

  by comment in

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  it's easy to document that there have been dozens of derogatory statements about the un in watchtower publications in the years since the society gained ngo status.. we already know that the brothers were not informed about this status.

  and in the early 1990's, it would have been considerably harder for the brothers to find out.

  why would any of them even think to visit or phone the un and ask, "is the watchtower society in any way associated with your organization?".

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  TheOldHippie

  Well, I see I am being ascribed very little morale and honour from you guys .......
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  Is the UN 'scandal' the big one ?

  by Simon in

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  looking at the stats, there are well over 14,000 views of the thread about the un.

  the next 'most read' thread is around 9,500 so it is clearly a burning issue.. i wonder if the involvement with the un is the biggest threat to the wts?.

  they are getting badly burnt because of their covering up child abuse and www.silentlambs.org is doing a great job of raising the profile of this but even so, i can see the 'mental defense mechanism' of many jws excusing this as 'individuals imperfection'.. they cannot excuse the gb getting in bed with the un.

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  TheOldHippie

  Room215 said that,
  For JWs the concept that anyone who simply and calmly disagrees with them, criticizes or points out their flaws might actually be an honorable, well-motivated person, and not necessarily evil,is a radical one.
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  Judging from the majority of posts here, it is perhaps not so strange that that concept is a radical one?
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  Does the WTS really own stock in an weapons co?

  by Leander in

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  i found this post at this link - http://www.messagefriends.com/cgi-bin/rcidxmsgb.cgi?pid=4552-8075-4552-4552.

  smartie on 8-10-2001 - 8:15pm .

  subject: jw's please answer my question .

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  TheOldHippie

  This is what Amazing said, raving about in fact nothing but the fact that someone got a gift ...................

  Posted by Amazing [Anointed] on September 15, 2000 at 15:58:37 {ytkgB1hrLU0hi4VK0MIQASIIcexUto}:

  Hello Everyone:

  Many may recall down the Board that it was reported that the Watchtower Society owned an interest in a corporation that made or designed components for military use that was used in the Persian Gulf War "Smart Bombs." (Correct me if I have erred here.)

  So far I have not confirmed whether such military applications or contracts have been involved, then or now. However, after checking SEC filings in 1995 and 1992, (after the Gulf War in Feb-Mar 1992), I did not find any statement showing Watchtower ownership at that time.

  Further, the "Company" was originally organized under the laws of the State of Oregon on July 27, 1992 as Sky Technologies, Inc. (After the Persian Gulf War ended.) This does not mean that the Society owned or did not own these shares prior to that date, or that their current ownership precludes that REGI now makes components or designs systems for the Military. All this means is that my information is inconclusive on that aspect.

  Rand Cam Engine Corp. is a privately held company whose stock is reportedly owned 50% by The Watchtower Society, a religious organization where beneficial ownership of the 5,371,900 shares registered in the name of Rand Energy Group Inc. has been attributed to The Watchtower Society and Mr. (*) who retains voting proxy. Evidently Mr. (*) donated the shares to the Society who now owns them. While not confirmed, Mr. (*) may likely be a JW. [* I deleted the personal name of this individual because it is not essential to this discussion.]

  Here are the latest figures I have confirmed:

  While the corporation is 'private' it uses the NASD symbol "RGUS" for REGI US INC.
  Exchange: OTCBB (Over-The-Counter)
  Previous Close: 0.437 on 9/13
  Volume: 0
  Currency Units: US Dollar

  This US Corporation is majority owned by a British Columbia Corporation based in Canada. Of the US stock, the Watchtower Society is 50% owner as of the date of the filing I read which is addressed to the Securities Exchange Commission in Sept. 1999. I am a little confused how the parent corporation could be a 'majority' owner, yet the Watchtower Society still own 50%. But that is the data as shown on the filings.

  I would think that if the Society only owned a small share that was donated, it would seem inconsequential to its standing as a nonprofit religious organization. People give assets such as this all the time to religions.

  HOWEVER, the Watchtower Society seems unique in that it denounces investments in the old system and its journal Awake! for many years claimed that it was 'free' to publish 'truth' because of being "unfettered" by commercial interests. In times past, the Society has even forced branches to divest interests in various profit making investments. After which, they even held Conventions where they read a resolution apologizing to Jehovah for their 'sin' and publicly repented of this 'unclean' act before all onlookers.

  Now lets think about this for a minute: 5,371,000 shares valued at $0.437 per share equals $2,347,127 in stock ownership. This is just one company we know about. But, the interesting situation is that the Watchtower Society owns 50% in the US corporation as reported, even if not a 'majority' interest. Is this not a clear powerful position to influence company policy? Even if the British Columbia company holds the major role, would not a powerful voting block such as this at least help 'influence' the actions of what the company builds and sells? And even though the voting is by proxy, it is done by the person who donated the stock to the Society. Therefore, would not his votes reflect sympathy and loyalty to the Watchtower Society teachings, policies, and beliefs unique to Jehovah's Witnesses?

  Interesting. What do you think? - Simply Amazing

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  Watchtower Investments Limited

  by nicolaou in

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  purpose 1 .

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  suppliers, providers of goods or services.

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  TheOldHippie

  But, my friend, if you search for WATCH TOWER in stead of WATCHTOWER, there you have it!
  So, as I said, Watchtowers are plenty, but there is only ONE Watch Tower.