By the way, both Klein and Swingle are dead ............
TheOldHippie
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Don Adams out, Max Larson in - ??
by Nathan Natas inthe september 8, 2002 issue of awake!
lists m.h.
larson as president of the wtb&ts.. when did don adams get smart and move on?
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Don Adams out, Max Larson in - ??
by Nathan Natas inthe september 8, 2002 issue of awake!
lists m.h.
larson as president of the wtb&ts.. when did don adams get smart and move on?
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TheOldHippie
I thought Don Adams just died, and thatthat was the reason for the change, but maybe I was wrong.
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Are the Disassociated shunned?
by NotBlind inon a whim, i recently visited the jw media site and found this question in their beliefs faq at http://www.jw-media.org/beliefs/beliefsfaq.htm:do you shun former members?those who simply leave the faith are not shunned.
if, however, someone unrepentantly practices serious sins, such as drunkenness, stealing, or adultery, he will be disfellowshipped and such an individual is avoided by former fellow-worshipers.
every effort is made to help wrongdoers.
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TheOldHippie
Another question is, What happens to one who has become inactive if he starts "doing other things" after a while?
A person here became inactive. After three years, his name appears on a list of candidates of a political party at the election. This is noticed, he is questioned, confirms, and is da'ed. Not df'ed, but da'ed. Da'es, because his present preferences are not in accordance with whatis expected.
OK, so a person becomes inactive - but, he has to stay inactive in "all" respects of his life for the rest of it ................
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Greg Stafford
by RR ini got this on a forum.
i left the name out, but the information is good.
stafford's assisting bro.
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TheOldHippie
Thanks, Mike Musto; you see, I was in grave difficulties recently, and among the topics listed were quoting from "Three Dissertations" and more specific from the page where Greg states why he postponed his work on John 8:58 but in stead chose to write on the present situation.
Thanks also, JT, for the kind words. Danny Bear's "Reforming the Irreformable" I have not read, but JT, you point at the core of the question. I would phrase it like this: If you speak in the name of God, how can you then be reformed? What need could it then be for reform? There would just be minor changes, purifications, clearifications, and not U-turns and to-and-froms and changes which clearly are made because of outside pressure. And IF because of a from-the-below-and-upwards-pressure reform is carried out, how could itthen be said that one spoke for God? One did not. But that again raises the question, if either the whole building is false, and need to be done away with - or if the membership as such is good and honest, but the careerists and the organizational men, those in it for the power and glory, are the ones that have corrupted it all, and need to be replaced. "The revolution eats its own children." How many members join the Communist Party in China because they are honest communists? Close to none. The truth is, because there is one State Party, one Party of which one needs to be a member in order to hold opffices etc., then one joins the Party in order to get power, money, wealth, glory. The organization takes on a shape of its own, it becomes the most important thing or object, and must be kept at all costs. Unity, in step, no dissent.
But when is dissent dissent from the Bible or dissent from man-made regulations which have lacking, poor or none Bible foundations?
I fight with those questions each and every day. And I am 100 % sure that Greg does the same. And I guess what both os us fear, is that someone tries to make us the "leading star", a "reform movement leading personality", because then we will last just as long as Bowen did. "I want an organization just as the one you say you want", aid a friend - and a chill ran down my spine. Why? Because if he fails, deviates - and is put under pressure, then what names will he come up with as the names of those having inspired him? ......
I'd like to quote John Mayall: "It's a Hard Road."
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Greg Stafford
by RR ini got this on a forum.
i left the name out, but the information is good.
stafford's assisting bro.
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TheOldHippie
Do you know him, Mike Musto?
It is strange that he has experienced nothing, since people reading his lates book, have ..................
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JW "policy" .vs. Personal conscience
by ItsJustlittleoldme ini've been trying to show my jw friend that the organization has 'policies' that one must follow.. he keeps telling me the standard line, it's your personal conscience... .
for instance, in the no blood "policy", he argues that it is his conscience choice, he isn't 'told' he cannot take policy, it's his bible-based <gag> conscience that keeps him from taking blood.. .
then i retort what would happen if they get new light on that issue, does that mean that his conscience get's new light also?
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TheOldHippie
Nope, Ozziepost, but because we manage to separate the main theological points from the rest, and believe those points of theology to be correctly presented, and so somehow manage to cope with the rest of the things, because we appreciate the good-hearted people within the WBTS framework for their work in bringing out these truths.
We are quiet most of the time, we bow our heads, and we wait - and hope - and pray - that one will treat each other better someday, someday soon.
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TheOldHippie
Committee .....................
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TheOldHippie
Thumbs up for me - Here I go!
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Will they grow Hemp in that Paradise garden?
by kenpodragon ini was thinking today about that paradise garden the witness always pictured.
i remember all those happy blank faces, with the rosy cheeks and content look.
they were all smiling eating a apple, petting a lion, and running around the trees.
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TheOldHippie
Most beautiful sight I saw in years!
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JW "policy" .vs. Personal conscience
by ItsJustlittleoldme ini've been trying to show my jw friend that the organization has 'policies' that one must follow.. he keeps telling me the standard line, it's your personal conscience... .
for instance, in the no blood "policy", he argues that it is his conscience choice, he isn't 'told' he cannot take policy, it's his bible-based <gag> conscience that keeps him from taking blood.. .
then i retort what would happen if they get new light on that issue, does that mean that his conscience get's new light also?
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TheOldHippie
Very correct, minimus. You could come up with a couple of more areas:
Blood; it was easier before, when blood was blood and the Bible indeed says we are to abstain from it. But then articles began to appear, in which blood suddenlt no more was blood, but was separated into various parts, of which some mysteriously had seized to be blood whereas others continued to be blood and therefore you could pump some of these fractions int your vessels whereas others still had to be abstained form etc. My personal conscience would have had to make U-turns twice a year to keep pace.
Military service, where your personal conscience sent you to jail or work camps for years because your personal concience denied you the carrying out of civil substitutes such as working in hospitals etc., but then suddenly your personal conscience made a U-turn and told you it was all right to work in a hospital and please forgetabout the 8 years in a solitary prison cell and the wife who had left you when you were released and the kids who knew you no more and the parents who had died meanwhile, because your personal conscience says it was a very good way of showing your trust in God and so you must not feel sorry or regret it or be angry.
Stafford deals with these questions in a very good way in his "Three Dissertations" as does a CESNUR article recently published.