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  I NEED EVERYONE'S OPINION

  by StinkyPantz in

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  i was recently disfellowshipped, i guess about 9 months ago, but i always figured that i would get reinstated.

  fortunately, i decided that since i wasn't an active witness i could go ahead and read all that naughty apostate literature that we weren't allowed to read before.

  well, i'm glad that i did, because now my eyes are open.

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  I agree with Ballistic. One of the major arguments that the WT presents of why the rank and file should not have anything to do with "apostates" (word used very liberally) is that "they pull you out and then leave you with nothing." Although we all know the faults of the organization there are some people that literally NEED it. They do not want to think for themselves, they want someone to tell them what to do and that everything is going to be all right. Some have found a tremendous amount of strength within the JW that has gotten them through some horrible times in their life.

  I don't feel, personally, that someones eternal salvation is in jeopardy because they are a JW any more than if they belong to any other religion. Because of I feel that way, I find it difficult to justify tearing away what is a huge part of somebodies life and happiness, just because I think it would be better for them/me.

  When people are ready to see the truth, be right there to present it to them. Until then, be sure that you are there for you little brother and the rest of your family. Demonstrate that you are still a good person and that you truly want what is best for them, whether they remain witnesses or not.
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  What To Say To The Next JWs At Your Door?

  by TR in

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  householder: hey, you are the people from that religion that hides pedophiles, aren't you?.

  'hovah: whaaa?

  hh: yeah, i saw "dateline" the other night on how 'hovahs protect sexual deviants.. 'hovah: well, you can't believe....... hh: no, no, i did some research after watching the show, now the wts is synonymous with corruption, deceit, slander, death, suffering, and the like.. 'hovah: well i uh, don't know about, uh, any problems, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh!.

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  Matrix,

  You really should apply for JR Brown's position!!

  The issue is not whether state laws require elders to support child molesters, the issue is the immorality of NOT reporting child molestors. Using the individual state law to sidestep the true issue is an excellent example of what is known as a "red herring." Very common tactic used by those that have no real support for their argument. Throw somebody off the true issue by dragging another issue into the picture.

  Please provide another post dealing with your response to the true issues, eg. "mouths of two witnesses" and the morality of reporting pedophiles to authorities and those in the congregation.

  ps--what is a Witness doing referencing a "R" rated movie as their name? Do I need to bring out the WT CD-ROM?
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  Let's have a Hawaiian Luau!!!

  by TheRedPill in

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  i ran across an interesting disclaimer in the june 8, 2002 awake.

  there is an article in there titled "let's have a hawaiian luau.

  " the first paragraph says that "millions of visitors come to hawaii to...take part in our world famous luau, or hawaiian feast.*".

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  TheRedPill

  Just looking to get my daily dose of "spiritual food" Mulan, Luau style!!
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  Let's have a Hawaiian Luau!!!

  by TheRedPill in

  1. watchtower
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  i ran across an interesting disclaimer in the june 8, 2002 awake.

  there is an article in there titled "let's have a hawaiian luau.

  " the first paragraph says that "millions of visitors come to hawaii to...take part in our world famous luau, or hawaiian feast.*".

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  I ran across an interesting disclaimer in the June 8, 2002 Awake. There is an article in there titled "Let's have a Hawaiian Luau." The first paragraph says that "millions of visitors come to Hawaii to...take part in our world famous luau, or Hawaiian feast.*"
  The asterisk is followed, at the bottom of the page, by the following disclaimer: "Although the luau may originally have had some connection with false religious practices, the word has simply come to refer to a Hawaiian banquet. Many Christians may therefore conscientiously feel that they can participate."

  Do you think that we will see the same disclaimer in this years issue about Christmas?

  An article on the internet says, "In early Hawaii, it was the custom of its people to celebrate auspicious occasions with a feast. Whether it was the birth of a child, a victorious war, a successful harvest or the completion of a new home or canoe, the Hawaiians took time to honor their many Gods and to share their bounty with friends and family."
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  The humour of Ray Franz

  by nicolaou in

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  i'm always dipping into c of c and 'freedom'.. in crisis of conscience, ray examines the oral sex issue in some detail.

  he candidly says that this practise did not meet his personal standards but that he was troubled in voting with the majority to enforce a ban on 'rank & file' jw's.. many of these wrote in to the society to question, in ray's words; the scriptural basis for the governing body members inserting themselves into the private lives of others in such a way.... okay, maybe it's just my juvenile mind but it made me chuckle!.

  nic'

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  TheRedPill

  C'mon you guys, suck it up now. You really should get beyond the words and try to dive into the real meat of the issue!!
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  Please Be Seated

  by MoeJoJoJo in

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  remember those signs the brothers used to carry around the conventions in the corridors during the sessions?

  "quiet please".

  "please be seated".

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  No Thinking Please!
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  BEFORE YOU LEFT......

  by In_between_days in

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  another question.. this one is for all those that began doubting the organisation when they were an obedient jw.. although i am sure you rarely shared it with anyone, what was the one problem you had with a certain jw only doctrine?.

  what i mean is, what little gremlins lurked at the back of your mind?

  what were the doubts that you kept hidden and what made you finally act on them?.

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  Two things gave me a lot of trouble...The first was the 144,000 teaching. It struck me as odd that everything else in the scriptures around the "supporting" verses was figurative, and yet the number was literal. I also couldn't find the asterisk to indicate the exception to the rule the those who put faith in Christ would be his "brothers." I assume there is an asterisk since only the 144,000 are his brothers. (sigh)
  The second thing was more personal. I found abuse of power by some of the elders in every congregation I went to. I wondered how abusive men were "appointed by holy spirit." Doubting their authority on a local level led to doubting the GB's authority on every level.
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  "Be Obedient...Be Submissive"

  by William Penwell in

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  the march 15, 2002 study article of the watchtower says about submitting yourself to the spirit appointed authority of the congregation elders.

  it says in paragraph 11,. our leader is perfect.

  the men he has given as gifts are not.

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  This has always bothered me. I have also wondered why the "holy spirit" appoints elders who are abusive to their families and/or the congregation. If they are truly "appointed" then it would seem that you can fool the holy spirit by attending enough meetings and keeping up with the national average in field service. Seems pretty easy.
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  What does everyone here DO anyway?

  by In_between_days in

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  hi everyone,.

  i am a new poster who is putting off their own personal story of finding this site for a while..... i find alot of people here utterly fascinating, and would like to know..... exactly what is everyones professional field of work?.

  i would like to be a full time poster on this forum, but alas, the $$$$ are quite light in that field of work.. apologies if this has been asked before.. just curious.

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  TheRedPill

  I chose two closely related careers. Massage therapy and Mortgage broker.
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  If you were wrong about the truth, what else?

  by ballistic in

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  what effect has having a whole section of your life proved to be a falsehood had on you?.

  anybody that has been a witness will understand the time, effort, comitment and money that it took to be a member.

  the way it dominated our lives, affected every decision we made and shaped our future.. some have left and turned to other faiths and some (like myself) have lost all religious faith (and i make no appology for that).

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  TheRedPill

  ps -- how do you paste a quote directly from another post?