i've noticed alot of jw "catch phrases".
one that comes to mind is "jehovah's perfect organization" and "imperfect men".. if you accept the definition of oganization as "a group of people joining together for a common goal", then how can a group of imperfect men make up a perfect organization?
is the organization somehow separate from the people in it?
I've noticed alot of jw "catch phrases". One that comes to mind is "Jehovah's perfect organization" and "imperfect men".
If you accept the definition of oganization as "a group of people joining together for a common goal", then how can a group of imperfect men make up a perfect organization? Is the organization somehow separate from the people in it? Without the people, what exactly is the org.?
thinker
hope began to rise up inside the two men.
she pulled his water jug off as well and then she nodded again.. "we weren't going to harm you.
i mean why don't you live with a group?
(Thinkers Wife)
Frenchy,
Have you thought about publishing your work? I believe there would be a market. There is a glut of movies dealing with just these very things.
TW
hello, i was reading judical com.
was really suprise to find out how some of jw's feel.
some have, like the single mom, have such a negative experience with them.
This is (Thinkers Wife)
Up for grabs. All this talk involving 1 Cor. 7 got me curious. So I got out the Bible and read the whole chapter. I suggest anyone who answers this, do the same. Because I would like some informed conversation about it.
In my reading, I noticed that Paul designated some of his words as being from the Lord and some as being from himself. The way I read it, from verse 25 on to the end of the chapter are words that Paul himself designates as his own words and suggestions.
Any feedback would be appreciated.
TW
hello, i was reading judical com.
was really suprise to find out how some of jw's feel.
some have, like the single mom, have such a negative experience with them.
Dear Struggle,
(from thinker)
Let me try to summarize what evryone has been saying.
The WTBTS claims to be the only true channel between Jehovah and man and no one can know God's wishes except the GB. According to them, you cannot pray to Jehovah one-on-one and have Him guide your life DIRECTLY.
Most of us here reject that for various reasons.
My question to you is "Does this make sense to you?"
Can you as an individual be guided by God without any "middle man" ?
It seems you currently feel that Jehovah and Jehovah's organization are one and the same. You feel that forgiveness from Jehovah requires forgiveness from the elders. To you, loyalty to the org. means loyalty to Jehovah.
Is it the organization who wants you to stay loyal or is it Jehovah?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to change your beliefs. I only want to understand where those beliefs come from, Jehovah or the WTBTS? If you prayed to God and He has guided you to stay in the organization then do so. I only want your assurance that it's Jehovah that's guiding you on an individual basis. On the other hand, most of us here believe it's possible to leave the JW's and still have a relationship with God. Only YOU and God know what's right for you.
It's a major decision and the organization makes it very tough. Do they make it so hard because it's God's will or do they only want to maintain their numbers?
I wish you the best in whatever you decide. I think we all feel upset about the pain you are experiencing.
thinker
i have developed a deep love of celtic music.
i listen to clannad, enya, loreena mckennitt, natalie mcmaster, and capercaillie.. i have also discovered 'celtic rock' when i went to the scottish festival in pleasanton ca last year.
seven nations was playing modern rock music with fiddles and bagpipes.
This is Thinkers Wife
My husband and I are music lovers. Music of all types. I have been intrigued by Celtic music. And even have some with Celtic flavor. But am not always sure what to buy. Have any of you ever seen a harp guitar? I think that is what it is called. It is very large although hand held. And is played all the way up and down the strings for a very wide range of sound. Michael Hedges plays one. (he is deceased now) His music is available. A fairly local man to us also plays, I have seen him live, his name is Stephen Bennett.
TW
just stopping by, wanting to make new friends.
feel free to write me back.
lsweet.
Hi LsweetNC,
Nice to see a new face, and welcome. Tell us a little about yourself.
Thinkers Wife
hope began to rise up inside the two men.
she pulled his water jug off as well and then she nodded again.. "we weren't going to harm you.
i mean why don't you live with a group?
Frenchy,
(from thinker)
Very nice work. Blows away any preconceived ideas about moral absolutes. I found myself thinking alot about how I would react to being in each character's position. Still trying to figure out the good guys from the bad guys.
Thinker
hello, i was reading judical com.
was really suprise to find out how some of jw's feel.
some have, like the single mom, have such a negative experience with them.
This is Thinkers Wife
Redhorse and Waiting have given some really good advice. Not to slight the others they have too.
I guess this is what I was really trying to say to you in an earlier post. You MUST decide what is is that you want. Then pursue that. Look in your heart and figure out what you really want. Otherwise you will continue to sit on the fence and feel guilty and be miserable.
None of us can tell you what to do. Well we could, but that wouldn't do any of us any good.
You just have to decide what it is that you really want. But be educated and make an informed decision.
Thinkers Wife
i have 3 sisters still in the org.
is it still called the "org"?
2 of them maintain no contact, one because i'm an evil apostate, the other is two faced about it(nice on the phone 2x a year, but does not let anyone know about the contact) the 3rd is pretty cool about it, we e-mail alot and i call monthly( all live 1200 miles away).
To All,
This is so sad. And unfortunately I know it to be true. Also attended a funeral. Her dad died unexpectedly from a heart attack. I did nod and smile at her. (she had purple eyebrows tatooed on so it was a little weird) But I felt really sorry for her. I don't think she even recognized. Hadn't seen her for years. I wish now I would have went up and hugged her. Well it feels better to express my sorrow at not having done the right thing.
My family situation is very up in the air right now too. Hard to deal with.
Thinkers Wife
since i found you the other day i was itching to tell my story so here goes:.
raised in jw family dad elder both parents pioneers total of 8 kids .
completly ridiculed in school set apart different unable to make and keep friends because they werent allowed to come over or call and i couldnt go there i learned very young how to be sneaky.
Welcome Mommy,
Glad to meet you. You truly will enjoy it here. Lot's of really nice intelligent people.
Thinkers Wife
