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[Repost] DECEPTIVE JW ELDERS - CASE#4b

by Amazing in

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[it appears that my first post became corrupted and comments are not showing up.

deceptive jw elders case#4b .

my son-in-law said that the young jw man arrived and stayed a while, started to watch the movie, but then left.

Thirdson

Dear Amazing,

The Society and its Elders teach that Elders are not to Lord it over the flock, or act as spiritual policemen.

I appreciate (I can't say enjoyed) your recent posts as well as the justice series. "Lording it over" is a common trait and I have seen a fair amount of it.

A few years ago some "brothers" in a congregation I attended organized a show (sort of talent competition but without a competition). Several local JW's from several cong's took part part and it was held at a high school auditorium. I wasn't invited although some in my family were, as was one local elder and several elders from neighboring cog's, several MS's and families, in addition to the 200 or so who attended. It was strictly by invitation only. The elders in my congregation knew something was happening but didn't know when. It was after all a private function. Nothing bad happened, no one misbehaved, no one got drunk (no alcohol was served) and from the reports I heard it was a happy and successful event.

The Sunday following the Saturday evening event the elders had heard about it from sources I believe were the teenage children of one elder. There then proceeded a witch-hunt to find out who attended and who didn't. Two MS were forced to resign (the event organizers) and the local elder was eventually deleted after a protracted conflict within the elder body.

After I was appointed as an elder about 2 years after this event I asked what the fuss was all about. All I was told was that several people attending mainly non-elder's children had lied to elders kids about the event. As far as I could tell the elders who didn't get invited felt slighted or felt their kids were being unreasonably excluded so they went out of their way to seek retribution from the organizers who they held responsible for the invite list.

It was one of several acts of "lording it over" by the PO and congregation secretary. That PO was eventually demoted to Watchtower study conductor and his son-in-law took over the PO job (PO by proxy I guess). I left just before that change took place. I think some of the reason for the CO's intervention was a result of mine and another elder's resignation over other poorly handled matters within the elder body.

Thirdson

'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'

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What about Cats and Dogs?

by Thirdson in

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i was thinking (as i am wont to do) while driving this weekend, about god killing 279 million americans of the us kind at the big a. it is hypothetical, but something the 900,000 jws here in us believe.

is god so cruel that along with all the people he is going to kill all their pets too?

after all with 50 million households or more, most of which have at least a dog or a cat, (many one or more of each, plus fish, birds, snakes and whatever) who will care for all those animals once the people are zapped.

Thirdson

Waiting,

A few years ago there was a CO going around telling everyone with pets to be careful not to idolize them. I think this guy hated animals, no kids pictures of paradise in his Saturday night meeting (Thursday night for all late vintage JW's).

Regarding cats he said the Bible make no mention of them (obviously he forgot that lions and leopards are cats too) and as for dogs they are only spoken of in a derogatory way. According to him JW's might have to give up their pets or even eat them in the Great Tribulation.

Not a popular guy as far as I can remember.

Thirdson

'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'

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Parasites......A Wonder of Creation!

by ISP in

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parasites......cute little things!

*** g99 5/22 14-15 protect yourself from parasites!

you wake up with feelings of nausea.

Thirdson

Hey Slip,

At this rate with all the cats, dogs, wolves, bears, snakes, spiders and now parasites eating all the straw will there be enough to go round?

******

What about all the good or neutral parasites? E-coli is a good, we all have the bacteria living in our gut. But don't eat food contaminated with e-coli from other human or animal waste. Then there are millions of other bacteria living on our skin, they serve some protection against fungal spores. A lot of us have mites living in and around our eyelashes and we all have several million other mites sharing life in our beds. (Mites are 8 legged members of the arachnid order).

All this bio-diversity living with us, in us and on us is part of the natural order of things and it has been this way for millenia. Don't expect any big changes in the near future or even soon(tm).

Thirdson

'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'

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What about Cats and Dogs?

by Thirdson in

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friends

i was thinking (as i am wont to do) while driving this weekend, about god killing 279 million americans of the us kind at the big a. it is hypothetical, but something the 900,000 jws here in us believe.

is god so cruel that along with all the people he is going to kill all their pets too?

after all with 50 million households or more, most of which have at least a dog or a cat, (many one or more of each, plus fish, birds, snakes and whatever) who will care for all those animals once the people are zapped.

Thirdson

I was thinking (as I am wont to do) while driving this weekend, about God killing 279 million Americans of the US kind at the big A. It is hypothetical, but something the 900,000 JW’s here in US believe. Is God so cruel that along with all the people he is going to kill all their pets too? After all with 50 million households or more, most of which have at least a dog or a cat, (many one or more of each, plus fish, birds, snakes and whatever) who will care for all those animals once the people are zapped.

O.K., so people get eaten by Alsations (to quote Bridget Jones) but after feeding on all the people what happens next? And what about all the cows, pigs, sheep, goat and other livestock that are totally dependant on humankind? I suppose that if the JW God is capable of killing little children and babies then he is quite capable of killing Fido, Tibbles and friends. But do the animal rights people know about this?

Thirdson

'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'

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Hugs from Geordieland!

by Sunbeam in

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i've been lurking on this forum and previously on the old h20 for a long time now.

and have probably read every word that's appeared on randy's site too.

finally decided it was rude to enjoy all your insights without at least introducing myself :).

Thirdson

Hi Sunbeam,

The "Creator" post asked some basic questions. The thread starts here: --> http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=2768&site=3

E-mail me at [email protected] and I'll tell you some things privately and see if there is a connection to some of my family.

Regards,

Thirdson

'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'

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Would you forgive the shunners?

by nojw86 in

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if after all the years of being shunned by family , friends , would you forgive or forget them and all the misery they handed you, or maybe let them think about it for somtime before you talked to them again.

of course this can only happen freely if they left the org.

Thirdson

Forgive? Of course. Are we not better people for having broken free from that hate inciting religion. Besides, were we at one any better than those who choose to shun us? Not me.

Thirdson

'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'

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Age of elders....

by TheApostleAK in

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"only on a rare occasion have i seen a society form returned with a red-line though a recommendation, indicating they reject the appointment.

this was in a case where the brother was under 25 years old, or some other minor defect.

never was there any rationale mentioned by the society at the their reasons based on spiritual qualifications lacking.

Thirdson

I thought the subject was the title to a new PC/video game "Age of Elders"...a sort of role playing, power seeking, "get them before they get you" sort of thing.

Thirdson

'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'

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HOMOSEXUAL CLERGY

by MacHislopp in

we have never read " officially " about homosexual problems at the.

bethel in new york , but can often read something that the wts wrote .

abouth other religions: .

Thirdson

Jan,

I picked up on that same quote:

When I see gay people, particularly men, it makes me sick.

So am I to assume that Logical doesn't find gay women as bad? So what is the difference? Is it sickening seeing people going about their ordinary lives or gay people expressing affection? If watching gay women is OK to Logical, who is the real pervert?

Thirdson

'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'

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since i sent my DA letter

by jurs in

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things have certainly been eventful since i sent my da letter.

it hasn't been announced at the meeting yet, but plenty seem to know!!!!!

monday a pioneer sister called me.

Thirdson

Welcome to a real life Jurs. I'm with JT on this, I prefered to walk away and keep the ability to question my JW relatives and occasional contacts. However, you chose what you wanted to do to make an exit and let everyone know how you feel. Well good for you. Sometimes it takes a bold stance like that to jolt the others. May be it will, at least you've got some people talking.

Best wished to you,

Thirdson

'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'

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Hugs from Geordieland!

by Sunbeam in

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friends

i've been lurking on this forum and previously on the old h20 for a long time now.

and have probably read every word that's appeared on randy's site too.

finally decided it was rude to enjoy all your insights without at least introducing myself :).

Thirdson

Hi Sunbeam,

Welcome aboard the board. I received the "Creator" book as a gift too. Still got mine and wrote a brief critique on this board in February. I'll see if I can find it later this evening.

BTW, my brother (1st son) lives up your way, between Chester-le-Street and Newcastle. I used to visit the region quite frequently 20 years ago.

Thirdson

'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'