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  Watchtower and sex

  by claudia in

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  ok maybe this is a dumb question, but i really am curious.

  why does it seem that fornication is the only "real" sin in the jw religion?

  i mean people can slander, be gluttonous, get drunk and have unethical business practices, but god forbid you should have a little sex.

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  Thirdson

  Frenchy,

  I know this is your personal view but you recognize the uniqueness of this sin:

  Can two people who care very much about each other, while in the stages of learning each other in an effort to decide if they want to spend their live together perhaps get carried away and engage in sex? Yes, it happens all the time. If it was not planned, if it was something which happened in a moment of passion and weakness and if there is a resolve to keep it from happening again then while those individuals did sin by fornicating I would not call them fornicators in the sense of being practicers of it.

  I’ll reiterate that sex is a normal human act. Signing a little bit of paper makes a big difference to this sin. The same feelings and passions are there but that little slip of paper makes the difference between a happily married person and a "fornicator". You can’t get a slip of paper to commit theft or murder. (I am not talking about adultery which is a crime against one’s chosen mate) The whole point of this thread is the way the WTS makes sex/fornication the number one crime yet sex is a basic human need and desire. Secular law long ago gave up criminalizing sex between consenting adults. Yet the number 1 reason for getting kicked out of the WTS is fornication. Other acts that may be criminal in nature seem to get covered up. I’ve seen what goes on in elder bodies and what gets treated lightly (falsely claiming social security etc.) yet a young girl confesses to sex and see how quickly the JC is formed.

  Claudia is right in her viewpoint (my opinion). My other statements that you took exception to are in keeping with the theme of this board, the JW perspective and analysis of Watchtower practices. The subject of sex is such a JW passion and fraught with puritanical ideas that it stills causes a flurry of posts as can been in this topic.

  Just my observations.

  Thirdson

  'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'

  Edited by - Thirdson on 6 March 2001 14:2:45
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  Watchtower and sex

  by claudia in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok maybe this is a dumb question, but i really am curious.

  why does it seem that fornication is the only "real" sin in the jw religion?

  i mean people can slander, be gluttonous, get drunk and have unethical business practices, but god forbid you should have a little sex.

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  Thirdson

  Frenchy,
  

  Secondly, many things can be classed as sin but not all sins are viewed as equal in God's eyes.

  I am glad you don't equate fornication with murder. Sex is a normal human activity. The Bible condemned fornicators to death except unmarried persons who were obliged to get married. Would you want to to return to secular law like in certain Muslim countries? If not, do you think the WTS policy of condenming people to death without carrying out the action any different?

  The WTS cannot or will not fomulate rules that put sinful sexual activity in perspective. But then again the WTS creates hardline ill-conceived laws regarding sex practices between married persons and legislates on form of birth control.

  Thirdson

  'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'
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  H20 on Child Molesters - Rick

  by waiting in

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  the silencing of defenseless bleating little lambs .

  when it came to light there is a pedophilia epidemic in "god's organization," i felt nauseated and disgusted at the hypocrisy of claiming that jehovah's witnesses are identifiable as "the one true religion" because of jesus words, "by their fruits you will recognize them.".

  clarice: i ran away.. lecter: why, clarice?

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  Thanks Waiting,

  H2O is too slow, I appreciate you posting Rick's words here.

  I found this quite telling:
  

  I now personally have serious questions and doubts as to whether God is still using this organization, and hasn't found a "slave" who is more true and pure in caring for Christ's sheep. I mean, can I in good conscience accept the unconscionable media covering up of this gross wrongdoing on such a huge scale?

  Rick has taken a long time to come to this conclusion. Uncle Bruce has long chided Rick about the worth of reforming the organization.
  Rick seems to be coming around to what some of us have already come to believe.

  Thirdson

  'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'
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  Assemblies...conventions...special days...

  by NikL in

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  there is a phenomenon in dub dom that i have always hated.

  the circuit/district convention.. people will spend hard earned money, use up any vacation they may have to travel to a city they don't really have any particular reason to see to sit for entire days and listen to the same b.s.

  they could sit and listen to at the meetings in their home kingdom hall.

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  Obviously, you don't appreciate the bountiful spiritual food that the FDS and its governing body is providing at the the proper time. Don't you know in parts of Africa that some brothers have to walk 75 miles each way to the meeting. Many of these brothers have to cross 3 crocodile infested rivers to get to the meetings, they still wear a suit jacket and tie and they don't miss any meetings! (Their Watchtowers are neatly underlined too!)

  (That was said tongue in cheek but it isn't far off what we have been told.)

  I hated DC's (CA's were nearly bearable, usually because the halls were somewhat cleaner and you were inside) The best DC was when I had a young kid and you could bring your own lawn chairs and sit in the seatless stands with the pusher. With an umbrella up, dark glasses and a hat you could sleep quite nicely. (All seater stadiums put an end to that facility.) Other times I volunteered. Attendants jobs were cushy. You could stand and sit when you wanted, had to do "the count", fetch the literature etc, anything to relieve the boredom. Attendants used to be able to get refreshments during the sessions too. Lunchtime was OK especially when there was plenty of food. But the simplified arrangements got rid of a lot of the niceties, like all day long jobs and greasy hamburgers.

  I don't miss those days.

  Thirdson

  'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'
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  YOU ARE A BUNCH OF ADMIRABLE WINNERS!

  by Thirdson in

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  2. friends

  those of us who spent a good portion of our lives as slaves to the printing corporation in brooklyn do well to reflect on our achievements.

  we have managed to break the cult shackles and get past the guilt barrier.

  we are building happy, successful lives.

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  DA,

  You have a very enlightened approach. I agree that when it comes to race, politics and age we should celebrate our differences not fight over them. The same is true for religious belief and for that matter disbelief. We are all on the same journey -- different paths.

  Unfortunately, my association with other Christian denominations (Episcopal, Lutheran, Methodist, Roman Catholic and others) could get me deemed as disassociatated (a JW fight) if it wasn't for the fact that I left by moving house and not reporting at the local JW congregation. My parents have not shunned me because I am "family" although my one brother takes a different attitude.

  You take an approach not sanctioned by the WTS and your very presence here could be regarded as breaking 2 Cor 6:15 (WTS interpretation). But thanks for your thoughts and for sharing here. I hope you will play "Devil's advocate" and make for some interesting discussions.

  Regards,

  Thirdson

  'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'
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  Russells Bible Students..Still Kicking

  by LeeHiker in

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  i was looking around the net for some.

  online version of russells (finished mystery)in.

  paticular,the train,head of steam and all that,.

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  Thirdson

  Hey Logical,

  Of course the WTS knows about this. But at $50 a shot what do they care. They might care if old Watchtowers were being given away for free then there might be a few more in circulation and a few more R&F checking past utterances.

  Thirdson

  'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'
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  Special knowledge?

  by MacHislopp in

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  2. friends

  i would like to share with you these " pearls"!.

  *** w60 7/15 444 staying awake with the "faithful and discreet slave" ***.

  at the 1958 divine will international assembly amazing advance information in connection with daniels prophecy was given about events to occur in the immediate future.

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  Thirdson

  J.C.,

  When things don't work out -- change your teachings. Of course the FDS is not always right but they are never wrong! "We can't speculate but the "End" is still soon"

  The CD-ROM is great for finding what was said on a object especially when reference is removed from the printed "Publications Index".

  Thirdson

  'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'
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  1918 temple inspection

  by MacHislopp in

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  hello, here is an interesting question: when did jesus .

  inspect the spiritual temple?.

  *** w98 8/15 20 strengthening our confidence in god's righteousness ***.

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  Thirdson

  MacHislopp,

  Good post! I didn't know there was such indecision about this event. I suppose it's all down to the fact that there is no proof that such an "inspection" took place. Plus there is the difficulty of explaining why the leadership of the Watchtower were put in prison because the goofy book "the Finished Mystery" was so goofy. Plus were they found to be acceptable to Jesus before or after a prison term.

  Don't forget in 1919 they were still advertising the Kingdon of 1874 and hadn't as yet banned all the things that orthodox Chritianity found acceptable.

  I going to save your quotes for further reference.

  Thanks

  Thirdson

  'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'

  Edited by - Thirdson on 4 March 2001 16:8:42
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  Holidays

  by eyes_opened in

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  2. friends

  i know this has probably been covered a bunch...but here i go anyway lol.

  how many of you guys who have been out of the org.

  for a while, now celebrate the holidays?

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  Prisca,

  I'm glad you had a good time at the Birthday party...and what? No-one lost their head? Amazing and I used to think Birthdays were bad too.

  Thirdson

  'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'
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  Been lurking too long

  by CoolBreeze in

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  2. relationships

  i must admit i've been lurking on this and other boards for about two years.

  one of my favorites used to witnet until they closed their site.

  i'm not a jw, but about three years ago i had a jw roomate and because i was going through some tough personal issues i agreed to a book study in our apartment.

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  Thirdson

  Coolbreeze,

  Welcome to the board and thanks for sharing your story. You were wise enough to see that JW's are hypocritical and controlling. While urging you to examine religion that don't want you examining theirs. It's take it without question or don't come in.

  You became their worst nightmare. By sharing you story you are helping others avoid their own nightmare.

  Regards,

  Thirdson
  (2nd Generation JW -- retired)

  'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'

  Edited by - Thirdson on 2 March 2001 1:26:29