Posts by Thirdson

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WT literature in the trash can

by Nordic in

i am born in the truth.now i am 40 years old and have thrown all my wt literature in the trash can.i am ashamed that i have been in the watchtower orginazation and in my prayer to jehovah i have said that i only belong to him.

Thirdson

Hi Nordic,

Welcome to the board.

I didn't throw my stuff away, I gave it to an elder who wanted my collection of bound volumes and bindered magazines. I didn't want to ship all those old Watchtowers 4000 miles. Besides I knew all the information would be on CD-ROM so I'd get it all back for my $5 contribution (and very generous, I might add).

I have one old Rutherford book in a box at my parent's house along with some other books which I guess I have available on CD. The only regrets I have was handing back my "Flock" book and not keeping an "Organization" book. A very kind person mailed me a replacement and I have access to the "flock" book on-line.

Some advice. Old books are very valuable. Don't throw them away, sell them on E-Bay. Books tossed in the garbage have helped people (apparently, people who use dumpsters instead of public libraries) find the "troof". Even magazines divided in to individual pages have been used to indoctrinate whole villages. If you have to dispose of stuff use a bonfire.

Thirdson

(The Monty Python sketch about the World War II lethal joke that was carefully translated in to German [one translator saw a whole sentence and was hospitalized for two weeks] reminded me of the WTS stories of the "power" of single discarded publications)

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"Suffer Little Children"

by Dogpatch in

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"suffer little children" was the title of a panorama programme shown on july 14th 2002 it dealt with the watch tower bible and tract society's policy on child abuse.

this society is a registered charity in britain.

well done panorama for the professional way you handled a sensitive subject!

Thirdson

An MP is a Member of Parliament.

MP sit in the lower chamber, the House of Commons and are the true democratically elected representatives. MPs craft the laws.

Thirdson

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Brent and Jean Smith

by LittleToe in

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anybody know brent and jean smith?.

my wife carries the distinction of receiving a sympathy card, from them, due to my recent da.. word certainly is getting around.

Thirdson

Isn't Brent Smith a Yorkshireman?

He used to make jokes about young lads who were undeserving of their heritage of being Yorkshire bred. At least the one I knew 15-20 years ago.

Thirdson

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I. P. Freeley.

by Englishman in

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remember when we were kid's at school, how we used to love to make up book titles with fictitious authors to match?.

this sort of thing:.

"the dangerous cliff" by eileen dover.. "the un-answered telephone" by isabelle ringing.. "bare-back horse riding" by major bumsaw.. the fad faded for a while only to surface in a re-generated form for "the simpsons".

Thirdson

Living with Constipation by Henrietta Brick

Daring Females by Nicholas Gurlls

Another Dumb Post by Thirdson

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WatchTower Literature on CD Rom?

by Monkey_Iron_Foot in

i am a newbie here and was wondering if anyone new if a cd rom is availible for jw literature from 1917 to 1949?.

any ideas?

i have the 1995 cd which covers 1950 to 1995, and i have the berean bible studies cd which covers.

Thirdson

Ballistic,

I acquired a 1997 CD-ROM. It runs fine under XP. Can you not get hold of a later copy?

THirdson

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Joe Anderson Disfellowshipped

by silentlambs in

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8-1-02, addition to 7-31-02 press release .

joe anderson-disfellowshipped!

jehovahs witness child advocate.

Thirdson

ANY THAT PUBLICLY SUPPORT THESE INDIVIDUALS WILL ALSO BE DISFELLOWSHIPPED.

I publically support all the individuals who have been disfellowshipped in this matter. I will publically support anyone who challenges the Watchtower, including those who wish to take legal action.

I'll be attending court if cases proceed in my locality.

Thirdson

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"Shepherd the Flock" book.

by Bosho in

hey,.

i'm relatively new here and wondered if any ex-elders (or indeed anyone who knows) could tell me what's so secret about the "shepherd the flock" book.. what is in that book that they don't want ordinary publishers to see?.

i haven't met an elder yet that can give me a good answer as to why it's kept so quiet.. any help would be gratefully received.

Thirdson

Blondie,

You are quite right about not seeing such specific details about "circumstancial evidence" as grounds for disfellowshipping someone. (I searched the Watchtower's CD-ROM)

However, the Watchtower said this regarding adultery:

Jesus did not say one can divorce his mate if he strongly suspects that adultery was committed. There has to be real evidence of adultery, such as the mates confession, or proof that the mate stayed all night with a person of the opposite sex under improper circumstances.Prov. 5:8-11. Watchtower 4/15 1968 Page 255

You are also right about "night" and "staying overnight" as not being necessary for sex. On the otherhand, "staying overnight" at someone's house doesn't mean that anyone had sex either, or even slept in the same room. Since disfellowshipping is the closest the Watchtower Society can get to stoning someone, it is interesting that they ignore their own teachings.

No one could be put to death on circumstantial evidence. There had to be two eyewitnesses to establish the truth. (Deut. 17:6; 19:15) Watchtower 6/15 1970 Page 379

Thirdson

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the ultimate "Question Box" question

by lastcall in

july 2002 question box : " what should we bear in mind when using cellular telephones and electronic pagers?

this in my mind is the ultimate question in the sense that it really shows how rediculessly micro-managed we were in this religion.

disect this one for a moment.

Thirdson

I missed this too. However, judging by where I have seen (and heard) people use cell phones I think JWs need to be informed about phone etiquette.

Would it be Appropriate to Engage in Telephone Witnessing While Sat on the Toilet Taking a Dump?

"While nothing is wrong with finding every opportunity to provide a witness, and while it is commendable that some of Jehovah's people make good use of their time even when caring for the "necessary things" it would be good to consider the Bible's view in this matter, blah, blah, blah.."

In other words don't poop and negotiate contracts and purchases while sitting on the bog. If I hear any echoes or splashing I'll hang up on ya!.

Thirdson

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"Shepherd the Flock" book.

by Bosho in

hey,.

i'm relatively new here and wondered if any ex-elders (or indeed anyone who knows) could tell me what's so secret about the "shepherd the flock" book.. what is in that book that they don't want ordinary publishers to see?.

i haven't met an elder yet that can give me a good answer as to why it's kept so quiet.. any help would be gratefully received.

Thirdson

This is one reason why the WTS wants the book kept secret; I'll explain later. Do bear in mind that the actual content of the book is nothing unique or new. All the detail is compiled from previous Watchtower articles and KMs. However, it is in a dumbed down form and presented as a book of rules and procedures. Whatever the question or accusation the book is designed to provide instruction on how to handle it, and what the penalty is for the sin. Since the book doesn't specifically explain the length of "momentary" in such phrases as "momentary touching of the breasts," it still leaves the elders some leeway in ascertaining the "seriousness" of the sin.

Since the book provides step-by-step procedures I believe the WTS wants it kept from the congregation purely to stop members criticizing elders for not following proper procedure.

However, it appears to me that more non-elders than elders have read and understood the book.

What is interesting, and what would be a real find, is a copy with an elder's hand-written notes in the margin. These notes are entered during Elder training (used in a very looses way since "elders are untrained volunteers,") and after Society letters are read by the CO during his meeting with the elder body. These are the real secrets; the things only verbally relayed and not committed to hard print.

Thirdson

Edited by - thirdson on 30 July 2002 0:52:17

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Louisville Newspaper-Please help

by silentlambs in

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if you would like to help me, please write to this newspaper and confirm your support of how wrong watchtower is to silence abuse survivors and supporters by disfellowshipping them.

bill

http://www.courier-journal.com/localnews/2002/07/27/ke072702s248845.htm

Thirdson

Bill,

I wrote Peter too; providing my full name, home address and telephone number.

Thirdson