Posts by prologos

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An apostate goes public

by Borges in

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i mentioned in a thread some weeks ago ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/244078/1/first-public-talk-as-an-apostate ), that i was invited to give a talk at a symposium about cults.

this will take place at the first weekend in may.. i'm going to talk about the difficulties you have to face when leaving the jw.

yesterday i've got an another invitation to speak to a senior year class in a middle school.

borges, of course with the nazi brainwashing and their goebbels language, and the east german dis-honest honecker propaganda (we build the wall to keep the imperialist [or their victims] from invading) Pravda Zeitung (the truth, or all lies) you have plenty of german non religious examples to pick from.

Including the similar treatment of dissidents, apostates. by both nazis, Commies and the WT. And of course the 3rd coming collapse that is inevitable. one way or the other.

Deal with the intelllectual dishonesty of nazies, commies and WT. The danger of open rebellion (I was in a crowd throwing bricks at russian tanks). no points in my pension for that.

Applaud their anti - non-religious sentiments. our 1930s definition of an idiot: Matte 6;- Religion 1. ( I would have never taken the "TRUTH" im heimatland.)

keep it simple, Kurz and sharp. think during the pauses.

Congrts on your quality time. .

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How is Life measured at Death?

by Monsieur in

recently an old friend died in an accident at the tender age of 35. the unfortunate event has been described from 'sad' to 'unfair' etc.. dying of old age is one thing, dying of sickness even.. but dying abruptly in an accident (or worse, being eaten by another creature, shark etc) is downright ludicrious.. if there is no afterlife in any shape or form, and one dies being struck by a surviving drunk driver or murdered at a theater, a tornado, or mauled by piranhas, what the hell is the point of that??.

what of all your work to raise a good family, helping your fellow man, doing good deeds, building something etc.??.

it's almost laughable to think that one can do all these things and in the broad spectrum of things death can make it all ultimately meaningless....

prologos

it isnt. That is why we should do everything well and good. the reward is the now (the journey) as far as we can prove.

that is why wt life is so destructive, because any afterlife, future reward is not proven, apart from the stories told and wt sold.

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Proper understanding of the Mediator & New Covenant

by Crazyguy in

mediator and the new covenant.

the society has taught that only the 144,000 are to par-take of the emblems and jesus only mediates and died for them.

"he is the mediator between his heavenly father, jehovah god, and the nation of spiritual israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members.

prologos

Rattigan 350: question please: Where did you get the WRONG idea that the Israel of GOD are 12 tribes of 12 000 each? Rev. 7:1-4-8? then:

please read again without wt glasses:

The 144 000 -- COME OUT OF-- the 12 tribes.

The twelve tribes are LARGER than 144 k just as Israel was MORE NUMEROUS than its first-born or the tribe of LEVI and JUDAH.

The law (old) covenant was made with all of Israel, the new Covenant is with ALL OF the ISRAEL of GOD not just the birst fruits bought FROM the Earth.

Answer this question too please: Who were those of the 12 tribes that were not sealed by the angels? what has the WT society "consistently taught" are the total 12 tribes? not earthly. ?.

what is the difference between the New and Kingdom covenant?

In other words: according to all wt writings,

There are 24 tribes of the ISRAEL OF GOD, the 12 heavenly tribes and the 12 earthly tribes. its true, research it. you know thats wrong.

try this: all members of the Israel of God are in the new covenant, but not all are in the Kingdom/priest for 1000year covenant.

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new light on FDS and 1914

by inbetween in

the society claims now, that before 1914/1919 there was no fds, this means also, russel was not part of it, he was not the channel from god.. then the calculation for 1914, which russel made popular and promoted, was done in a time, when god revealed actually nothing, does this prepare the way to finally dump 1914 chronology ?

approaching the 100 year anniversary for christs supposed rulership, it becomes anyway more and more ridicolous.. i know, some argue 1914 is essential for their being chosen 1919, but now they say, they are somehow not appointed over the belongings yet, so also this aspect looses significance.

and the inspection of the temple can begin anytime anyway, it was convinient to link it to 1914 but i think its not really necessary.

prologos

the crushed: right! are all wt baptism void?*

1) only baptised jws and minor dependents will survive Armageddon!

2)You could not be baptised unless you answered the OLD LIGHT questions and were elder-certified. so:

3) how can you survive Armageddon with such a flawed baptism foiundation?

Good thing Armageddon is overlapping generations away .enough time to realize its all made up.

* where is jesus' command in the name of---: the name of-- and the holy spirit?? the right formula sans l"ORGANISATION, the sacred cow?

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An apostate goes public

by Borges in

jw
friends

i mentioned in a thread some weeks ago ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/244078/1/first-public-talk-as-an-apostate ), that i was invited to give a talk at a symposium about cults.

this will take place at the first weekend in may.. i'm going to talk about the difficulties you have to face when leaving the jw.

yesterday i've got an another invitation to speak to a senior year class in a middle school.

prologos

Boges remember, young people are born rebels and great le(a)rners. I know of a high school in your country, where during the war the music teacher played jewish music, and the students in their hitler youth uniforms adored Jazz, and lapped up the american swing culture in general.

our (apostate) song: --ich bleibe dabei, die gedanken sind (nazi) frei. (sorry for rulebreaking 8, its too late.)

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Had the worst nightmare last night!!

by sinis in

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dreamed i was in service and about to give a sunday talk, but forgot my notes and outline at home.

i have not set foot into a kingdumb hall in over a decade, slowly faded... creepy dream....

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kingdumb maladies. ha ha ha. pas pire.

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Under the New Light, Where is the Continuity?

by Ding in

under the old light, from 33 ce onward, there was always an anointed remnant on earth, and these constituted the faithful and discreet slave class whom jesus had appointed over his domestics to give them spiritual meat in due season.. but the new light is that the "anointed" were not the faithful and discreet slave after all.. in fact, according to the new light, jesus did not appoint anyone as faithful and discreet slave over his domestics until 1919 (not even the apostles or russell).. so according to the new light, who or what was jehovah's visible organization from the death of the apostles until 1919?.

who was authorized to provide spiritual food in due season?.

where is the continuity?.

prologos

sd-7 where is the word organisation in Jesus' teachings, the red in some bibles ?. May be that is the flaw no.1, if its not an organisation it is irrelevant? Organisation ueber alles?

organised to place literature containing ideas that now have been shown and admitted to contain error, un-truth, whereas so-called apostates posted correct teachings ahead of time.

just because there is churning it will not matter at the end. Better serenity with truth (reality) than froth, hot air deflating at the end (s) 1914, 1919, 1925, 1975 overlapping n--.

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2013 Watchtower, July 15 - CHARTS for discussion

by bats in the belfry in

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looking at the last period in the WHEAT and WEEDS :

Why is it that WT shows the BLAAACK Weeds going to heaven? and not the GOHHLDEN Wheat on the left? (arrow software does not work at 45 degr. angle)?

NEW light that will delight quiwwelers: There will be no anointed Armageddon survivors (unlike what was taught before) , they are up-up and away "shortly before" the end (or beginning.)

so the chosen ones of Math:24 are the ones of Isaiah 65. building houses, changing diapers.

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Under the New Light, Where is the Continuity?

by Ding in

under the old light, from 33 ce onward, there was always an anointed remnant on earth, and these constituted the faithful and discreet slave class whom jesus had appointed over his domestics to give them spiritual meat in due season.. but the new light is that the "anointed" were not the faithful and discreet slave after all.. in fact, according to the new light, jesus did not appoint anyone as faithful and discreet slave over his domestics until 1919 (not even the apostles or russell).. so according to the new light, who or what was jehovah's visible organization from the death of the apostles until 1919?.

who was authorized to provide spiritual food in due season?.

where is the continuity?.

prologos

sd-7 of course IF these great people of the PAST had been able to look into the future, and seen the " WT TRUTH" perculating, vascillating from 1879 to July 15 2013, they would have concluded that we were nuts.

Their suggestion that the great thinkers of the past did not have the then available, RELEVANT truth, understanding of the scriptuires, --because their ideas were at variance with the above cited latest issue of the wt, shows how far from reality this present group of individuals is.

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Under the New Light, Where is the Continuity?

by Ding in

under the old light, from 33 ce onward, there was always an anointed remnant on earth, and these constituted the faithful and discreet slave class whom jesus had appointed over his domestics to give them spiritual meat in due season.. but the new light is that the "anointed" were not the faithful and discreet slave after all.. in fact, according to the new light, jesus did not appoint anyone as faithful and discreet slave over his domestics until 1919 (not even the apostles or russell).. so according to the new light, who or what was jehovah's visible organization from the death of the apostles until 1919?.

who was authorized to provide spiritual food in due season?.

where is the continuity?.

prologos

it is not just about the continuity either. it is about the start.

In the various parables dealing with the work of the stewarts, slaves,

the responsability to ALL the workers is always given when the master DEPARTS at his ascention to eventually get kingdom power.

All were to work from the Leaving, the START to the end, one after another. The same with the wheat, there was CONTINUED overlapping wheat from beginning to end.

clearly great works have been done SINCE THEN by all. and there was continuity, if a contentious one.

This new light is all wrong, for it proposes that the responsabilities were given at the (invisible) RETURN, ( 1st. inspection)

Everybody or generation always thought They were special, They were in the important end times (and they were of course for them), but

this latter-day power grab and the convoluted date-shuffling that goes with, exposes the proponents for what they are.

At least Isaac Newton acknowledged that he stood on the shoulders of Giants.

This demotion of the likes of Paul of Tarsus, Tyndale, Luther, Calvin et al, despite all their faults, is shameful self-aggrandisement. .