Posts by prologos

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instant insight on religion during anti-witnessing

by prologos in

saw a well dressed couple in a snack area this saturday, and approached to ask what the occasion was , hoping to talk to a jw couple counting time during fs break.

no, it was people waiting for a funeral.

so i said: "condolences, well you are following a long tradition since the very first burial of abel--right?

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Crazyguy, thanks! I tried to get a follow-up topic started, but a funny thing happened on the way to the forum. here is a gist of it, what I would use on witnesses having their break.

a) question: what does the memorial and the Abel religion have in common? Nobody would partake of the offerings!!why?, Abel offered edibles, that were not authorized to be eaten. (meat diet after the flood only) passing the plate, not touching like at the memorial.

b) why, with a veggy only diet would Cain's religion been better? barbequed Veggies, legumes, fruit, nuts would have been very popular when the altar smorgasboard opened for the crowds.

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instant insight on religion during anti-witnessing

by prologos in

saw a well dressed couple in a snack area this saturday, and approached to ask what the occasion was , hoping to talk to a jw couple counting time during fs break.

no, it was people waiting for a funeral.

so i said: "condolences, well you are following a long tradition since the very first burial of abel--right?

prologos

Saw a well dressed couple in a snack area this Saturday, and approached to ask what the occasion was , hoping to talk to a JW couple counting time during FS break. No, it was people waiting for a funeral. so I said: "condolences, well you are following a long tradition since the very first burial of Abel--right? lady: yes--(so:-- a believer) . Then it hit me. thinking, out loud: "so: Had "God" not involved himself, Abel could have lived a peaceful life beside his brother, the two alternating foodstuffs as an offering. particularly Abel with his useless meat, unfit for consumption even by dogs.?? But No, "God" had to involve himself by favoritism, picking the "carry out" carrion over the good veggies , and precipitating and not stopping the descent into murder. The lady was stunned too. blame religion for murder from the word "go". satisfying for me, seed sown. The bible is just a story after all, that needs serious downgrading.

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New Light - Two Sticks in Ezekiel - July 2016 Watchtower

by Listener in

ezekiel 37:15-17 prophesies about two sticks being joined together to become 1. one stick represented the two tribe kingdom of judah and the other stick represented the 10 tribe of israel (ephraim).

the article explains how the coming together of these two sticks meant the reuniting of these tribes in 537 bce.the modern day fulfillment was previously taught to mean that the anointed had once again come together in unity in these last days.the july watchtower now explains that one stick, the stick of judah, represents the anointed and the other stick, the stick of ephraim, represents the other sheep.

they further explain that since 1919 god's people have gradually reunited to become one flock.they are now saying that the other sheep are represented by 10 tribes of israel.

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did not David Splane say they are finished with type-antitype hype?

Other Sheep = 12 tribes of (spiritual) Israel is long overdue.

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Is it true: the memorial will stop after the last anointed have passed away?

by FinchAndWeston in

i heard that the memorial will stop after the last anointed have passed away ... is this information true/false?

just curious.

it's secondhand.

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ttdtt: thank you for that posted outline. To me, if any of this is relevant, the memorial should be celebrated eternally, because of the eternal benefit. Is it not called the eternal covenant? The New covenant is for forgiveness of "sins", so applies to the Earthly class first and last. On the outline:

everlasting life in heaven; the vast majority will enjoy life on a paradise earth. note : one notch down, not immortality in heaven, not eternal life. but only life on earth.

Once the Lord “arrives,” he will take the last of the 144,000 home to be with him in heaven --" I thought he had come in 1914, 1918.?

"Jehovah determines where we will best serve." The word serve reminds me of more wt drudgery, no thanks. enough is enough.

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Did the Brother giving the Memorial talk mention Nisan 14 ???

by RubaDub in

in our congregation, the brother mentioned nisan 14 a dozen times.. i thought, with the fact the jewish calendar has nisan 14 in april this year (april 22 i believe) that the nisan 14 thing would be hushed up.. was it mentioned where you attended?.

rub a dub .

prologos

no.

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Why did Jesus have to suffer?? Something I never thought about.

by ttdtt in

something dawned on me last night.

jesus was suposed to be a corresponding sacrifice for adam right?.

a perfect life for a perfect life.

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if Jesus was the second Adam (and the bible is right) he should have been allowed to outlive "our oldest ancestor" by 70 years, and live to past the "one day" thousand years, to prove that he really deserved that title "last Adam".also:

Adam's story has him prompted to eat the fruit by a naked, perfect female that had prepared a meal. ( if you balk at the dish, you might be deprived of other goodies for the next 970 years!). not a choice that Jesus ever was subjected to as far as we know, or?

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Stupid memorial obsessions

by Simon in

all the different congregations around the world hold it at similar local times but they all effectively are at different times relative to each other ... so why does the time matter?.

why the almost superstitious "oh, it must be after sundown".

cause it's not sundown everywhere that second.. god knew the earth was round ... right?.

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How about some fish and veges . The original last supper story had actually roast lamb (an awful taste if you do not know what you are doing) and bitter herbs and Gravy.

I got caught in misinterpreting the memorial tradition, thought the eclipse was during memorial night time, no, it was in the darkness preceding the memorial night, in my location at least. No partaking under a red glowing moon.

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The memorial songs sucked.

by DATA-DOG in

i don't know who the idiots are that write, or approve these songs, ( the creative team of lett and tomo??

) but they suck!!

there is a line in the first song ( # 147 ) that blatantly contradicts the wtbts dogma of the heavenly calling being an invitation as opposed to a sure thing.

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Neither was the new covenant. How do you give a talk (or compose, sing a song) about the wine, The cup that means the new covenant without mentioning it? not in the outline! but the wine is not supposed to be fortified! no brandy, no stills in Memorial Land.

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Evolution vs Creationism.

by Labate in

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perhaps this has been discussed in the past, but i can't help noticing that on many posts creation vs evolution seems to equal theist vs atheist.

granted, a creationist by defination would have to believe in a creator.

on the other hand, believing in evolution doesn't automatically make one an atheist, a small point perhaps, but i think it would be more accurate to say believer vs nonbeliever.. just sayin'..

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cofty : "--The moment you admit an intelligent designer you have stopped doing science and made further investigation impossible.--" , Well, we hope that further investigation will go on and on, pushing our knowledge of the infra macro and ultra micro domains, touching the beyond meta conditions. Investigation will inform us.

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New Memorial Songs Were Very Good, IMO

by RubaDub in

i guess we can agree to differ, but i personally found the new memorial songs (147, 149) to be very good, at least from a musical perspective.

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rub a dub .

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The orchestration had some grandeur too it, admittedly, the melodies no negatives, but the "lift" was not at the scale that the old masters, Bach , Haydn provided, religiously.