Posts by prologos

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What was there before the Big Bang?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.

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BW: "--hat cause the the "thing" that caused the big bang and then what cause the thing that cause the thing that caused the big bang on into infinity.

if you just could free yourself from the idea that time is a moving entity and think of it as a dimensions, static and we moving through it, at varying speeds. If movement through time started at the big bang, there was no movement prior to it, and no need for an infinite cascade of causes, because time and energy were, are and will be, are already in the future. eternally, not moving.

All the books I have read about "something out of nothing" Kraus et al, always end up by postulating that there is no such thing as nothing. period.

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The Perfect Ones...

by JW_Rogue in

with the rc coming i was wondering if anyone else noticed how some jws seemed to have everything somehow?

you would see these attractive young couples who clearly were well off.

the brother had privileges though so you know he was at the meetings and fs regularly.

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In a group of people that are supposed to live by the principles that jesus taught , according to the story, a lot of hypocricy has come to the surface, the top. Jw congregations resemble christianity stood on it's head,

Families might have money from grubbing, hoarding from way back, while others naively slaved in the field. In many places, just to own a shack makes you a millionaire after all.-- It is great to profit in a group that is told to be humble and serving. it is great to be served that way, to be considered superior, because the R&F are told to consider the Cream (or scum) at the top to be superior. That is why it is good to be out, free, not just the of doctrines.

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Would you have done what Adam did?

by thinker11 in

every religious group know the story of adam & eve.

for me, i understood what they did was wrong but i never felt they were bad people and considering that they never murdered anyone and seemed to live normal lives after being kicked out, i found it hard to accept that they deserved to die forever and that we would be responsible for suffering for their mistakes.

i personally feel like i might have done the same thing adam did when eve offered him the fruit.

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The art of dinner conversations obviously developed later. Since his was the first threefold bond ( according to wt talk outlines) and Jah talked to them directly, why not the trio to have had a real discussion over the fruit plate about that,-- with all the scenarios (prophecies) laid out? It was not about continuing sex. That co-pulation would have happened whether Adam ate or not. Had he not eaten, his would have been eternal sex with another perfect woman, ( a possible x-generation grand-ggg overlapping generation daughter) --for a perfect Jesus was produced out of mary, the "second Eve" so to speak. Perfect daughters would have born to eve.

It is amazing what results, when you have a story that insults your intelligence. Talking snake and the creator walking in the garden in the breeze. cheese!

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Be ready to obey!!

by kairos in

jw
friends

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20131115/seven-shepherds-eight-dukes/.

from paragraph 17-. at that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint.

all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.. i think i know what the instructions will be.it's nothing new.

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Be ready to obey? -- It is the next command coming that will be scary. Wt would not be the first promised thousand year reign to end prematurely, many were forced into obeying, all suffered.

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What was there before the Big Bang?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.

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what was there before the big bang? perhaps the same condition that still exists now "outside" the expanding universe. The before is the same as the outside, an eternal realm that we, on the move through time only touch fleetingly in the moving, zero- length "now". May be we are like the sprinters in the upcoming Olympics, the race starting with a little bang, but there is a bigger, static arena, through which we move. When I use "we" it would mean all things , included in the universe.

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Jonah's success, J-dubs failure in preaching.

by Darkknight757 in

3:1 then the word of the lord came to jonah a second time: 2 “go to the great city of nineveh and proclaim to it the message i give you.”3 jonah obeyed the word of the lord and went to nineveh.

now nineveh was a very large city; it took three days to go through it.

4 jonah began by going a day’s journey into the city, proclaiming, “forty more days and nineveh will be overthrown.” 5 the ninevites believed god.

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"Jonah was not a false prophet." even though he preached a doomsday message that was proven wrong. that is the idea that wt wants to sink in . Jonah was not preaching the truth. The "truth", his message, was only a means to an end. he was used. He suspected that in the beginning, he knew it at the end. Now his story is used again to spur on JWorgers to get converts. The imitation faith on the march. Macmillan.

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Not the Author of Confusion

by Coded Logic in

609 african independent charismatic.

black american apostolic.

african independent charismatic.

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CL: "--And who knows what far more beautiful work Bach or Michelangelo might have produced had their minds not been vandalized by the small mindedness of religion.

Remember that great work was done often in hiding the facts by people stuck in undesirable religious situations. : Kopernikus of Heliocentrism fame, --catholic priestN Johan Kepler of eliptical orbit & orbital velocity formulae fame, --disfellowshipped protestant bible student. Isaac newton, --secret anti-trinitarian, end-time calculator.

so,

now that even closet deists steer away from admitting belief in creation, let us see what soul-lifting art will emerge.

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What was there before the Big Bang?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.

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Fisherman: "--I believe that mass and energy had a beginning. Well, mass (a form of Energy) had a beginning at the big event, but [potential] energy is now thought of to be a property of the nothing, the void. The "big bang" resulting from nothing more than a rearranging of these primordial condition, and then going off centre.

Like the photon, has no mass, but energy, moves at max rate through space but is stationary in time. Pure energy can linger eternally in time and not know it.

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Jonah's success, J-dubs failure in preaching.

by Darkknight757 in

3:1 then the word of the lord came to jonah a second time: 2 “go to the great city of nineveh and proclaim to it the message i give you.”3 jonah obeyed the word of the lord and went to nineveh.

now nineveh was a very large city; it took three days to go through it.

4 jonah began by going a day’s journey into the city, proclaiming, “forty more days and nineveh will be overthrown.” 5 the ninevites believed god.

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"God showed mercy to Jonah by not letting him drown", but he caused the storm in the first place (or did not stop it, endangering all). Then he send him on a mission to preach the downfall, when gad must have known full well, that here would in the end no destruction. He made af ool out of Jonah, and the witnesses are like fools with their 1914, 1925, 1975 2075 predictions, ostensibly miraculously derived at by god's spirit-directed organisation.

In the end, blame Jonah, or ha-noj, because he got it all backward.

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JWs and "Simple Truths"

by JW_Rogue in

in public talks we would always hear about how we knew god's word was the truth because it was simple and clear.

how god revealed the real truth to uneducated and ordinary people.

the problem is that in reality something being simple or clear isn't an indicator of it's truthfulness at all.

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1EJ: "--The heliocentric model appears more complex at first, but it allows for a far simpler explanation planetary motion.

Very interesting comparison, the planets are closer than the stars (except one) so should we look for truth that touches the near, rather than the distant? the far away the future, long ago the past?