Posts by prologos

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Jehovah loves "even rounded numbers" or could this be a way to disprove the inspiration of the Bible?

by notjustyet in

while i am not able to recall them all at this time, i remember so many instances that when a number was quoted in the bible, especially large numbers, they were all "rounded up" to the nearest hundred or thousand.

for instance the angel killed 185,000 syrians, not 184,879. sampson killed a thousand men with the jawbone of an ass, not 961. and on and on on the even rounded numbers.

i would guess that it could be agues that these numbers were correct but is that realistic?

prologos

G1T: "So the interesting question is: Did Jehovah God himself choose the decimal numeral system? (His son will reign for a thousand years etc.) Or did he adapt himself to a system that humans invented?

Looking at our digits, as we are endowed with 10 fingers, it would be easy to count by ten. if you also use your toes, that makes 20, and the French still do it: Quatre-vingt-dix for 90= 4x20 plus 10. curiously, if the planetary distances are brought down to simple integers, the Earth ends up with 10, as in the modified Bode sequence, so it is we that have to play with the hand, feet that we have been dealt. not the other way around. Not a bad deal come to think of it. it bodes well for the future. ( 4,7, -10-,16,28,-52-,-100-, 196. 292, 388. Mercury to Pluto) note: only Venus, the retrograde rotatee is the only one with the uneven prime Number 7.

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Jehovah loves "even rounded numbers" or could this be a way to disprove the inspiration of the Bible?

by notjustyet in

while i am not able to recall them all at this time, i remember so many instances that when a number was quoted in the bible, especially large numbers, they were all "rounded up" to the nearest hundred or thousand.

for instance the angel killed 185,000 syrians, not 184,879. sampson killed a thousand men with the jawbone of an ass, not 961. and on and on on the even rounded numbers.

i would guess that it could be agues that these numbers were correct but is that realistic?

prologos

jws: "--it was a measurement.,

a description of a measurement, a measurement of a vessel that could have produced many values at different, difficult to pin down places. If there is a divine bible author, he did not want to take the whole thing too seriously.

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Single Sisters Over A Certain Age Group Getting A Bad Rap

by HiddlesWife in

i'm new here; one of my relatives was a member on this forum a few years ago and told me about it.

anyways, as a sister who has been in the org since childhood and now in her late 40's (plus as a woman of color), i have noticed that a number of brothers have an ageist attitude.

they are very accepting of young women under 26 and rejecting women over that age, particularly those in their 30's and over.. is this an unspoken mindset from wthq (specifically from bethel), or is it that quite a number of males (sorry, i'm not sexist here) have this type of mentality?

prologos

so, if the religion is so terrible on females, why are they in a majority flocking, sticking to it? and why do the males stick and are attracted to the already perfect females, prior to paradise? like the song said: "You are decorating my life"? I am with TD: define your topic. I really appreciate talking to intelligent ladies, of all ages; even those that wield their power without the males, including their husband, noticing it.

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Jehovah loves "even rounded numbers" or could this be a way to disprove the inspiration of the Bible?

by notjustyet in

while i am not able to recall them all at this time, i remember so many instances that when a number was quoted in the bible, especially large numbers, they were all "rounded up" to the nearest hundred or thousand.

for instance the angel killed 185,000 syrians, not 184,879. sampson killed a thousand men with the jawbone of an ass, not 961. and on and on on the even rounded numbers.

i would guess that it could be agues that these numbers were correct but is that realistic?

prologos

round numbers? the most glaring example is in I Kings 7, where a very precise number, (calculated to millions of decimal places), Pi : 3.141592------is listed only as 3. It is proposed to send the precise number into space to tell listening "aliens" that we are working on precise problems like that. so, why would an intelligent creator not act in kind, and kindly inspire the exact number (within reason) to be included in His Word? to prove he exists? because he loves round numbers, not mind numbing details?

the explanation is: In 1 Kings 7, one is not measuring the same circle, but inside & outside. --really though: the bible is not inspired, only inspiring.

sorry, out of topic, 3 is not an even, but uneven rounded number.

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What The Org Teaches: #2 THE GREAT TRIBULATION

by The Searcher in

every single bible student/jehovah's witness who has ever lived, has been indoctrinated to believe that a catastrophic great tribulation would very soon engulf the entire earth, causing untold death & destruction.

this spurious teaching is drummed into every j.w.

's head and used by them as a major recruitment tool.

prologos

TS: "Jesus was referring to the worst tribulation ever to hit his audience's nation (God's people) up until that time -

I would guess that his audience could consider themselves of the family, nation rooted in Noah, Shem--. , so seen in this way we all are offspring of Noah, the big bang even, how ironic of jesus' endorsing the flood myth., makes armageddon just as credible. As you greatly pointed out, taken locally or globally, the wt's GT teaching is not a GT (great teaching).

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Political Correctness

by snugglebunny in

jw
friends

i think i'm just ornery when it comes to equality.

ever since i can remember, i've always believed that all people were created equal.

the colour of a person's skin is irrelevent to me.

prologos

Smiddy: :--This ( Adam's primacy) was the prime belief in the Old Testament

The prime rib belief

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What the Org Teaches #3 Foreigners Were Not Participants of the Mosaic Covenant...........

by The Searcher in

.......................they were only beneficiaries of it!!!!

the org uses this spurious statement to "prove" their false doctrine that only an elite group are invited to be participants in the new covenant.

#3 "foreigners".

prologos

TS: "--the Org's decision on who is allowed to be in the New Covenant.

In their myopic bible misunderstanding, wt has limited the the New Covenant membership to the NT equivalent of the royal and priestly tribes. after all, -- all tribes were in the Law Covenant, in addition Judah and Benjamin had the royal, priest duties, spelled out in their respective coveted special covenants.

If the new (christian) arrangement would mirror ancient Israel, all members would be recognized to be in the new covenant, partake of the emblems, not just the few that are sealed out of all the 12 tribes. wt gives the wrong vibes. New covenant= forgiveness of sin, + widespread, heartfelt bible knowledge. If only the snake would not have talked, we would not have perceived "sin" , and we would die for purely natural reasons, like stars, enriching our surroundings in life and death.

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Here come the warm jets...

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

in a previous post i mentioned i purchased a tape-deck to listen to "pear tree in the wilderness" by a very talented busker named kai jansen.

listening to his songs after 20 years created strong feelings and wonderful memories yet i have to admit the songs didn't live up to expectation.. so yesterday for an experiment i sat down with my 10 year old boy and introduced him to the music of:-.

bowie, eno, u2, aldo nova, the smiths, the who.. orlandos comments " absolute rubbish!!".

prologos

I think some of the beatle songs, other moderns, will emerge as winners in the future. Did Pachelbel's contemporaries have an inkling it would be played ad nauseum in our days?

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What The Org Teaches: #2 THE GREAT TRIBULATION

by The Searcher in

every single bible student/jehovah's witness who has ever lived, has been indoctrinated to believe that a catastrophic great tribulation would very soon engulf the entire earth, causing untold death & destruction.

this spurious teaching is drummed into every j.w.

's head and used by them as a major recruitment tool.

prologos

searcher, glad you have not given up proving the wt wrong, using the book they are supposed to basing their beliefs by. so, don't give up. but arguably the things that befell coventry, hiroshima, stalingrad, tokyo, nagasaki, dresden, Auschwitz would stack up well, or rather higher, against what happened to jerusalem, so even jesus' story is kind of lame if considered as the one time ever epitome of disasters.

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How the Need for An Elder to "Preside Over His Household in a Fine Manner" Forces Kids Out

by TMS in

twelve years ago, i submitted this comment to the jwd board, relating to the practice of disfellowshipping young people from the congregation:.

"i am angry at the way jehovah's witnesses treat their most precious endowment; their young, developing, stumbling, exasperating, questioning, experimenting, growing offspring.. at the very most urgent time in their young lives; when they need the most reassurance, nurturing, patience, understanding and forgiveness, witness parents, under the direction of their congregation elders and governing body, toss thousands of these young ones out into the cold, cruel world, allowing them to virtually self-destruct.. many of these castaways are still in their teens.. there is no excuse, biblical, human, parental or otherwise to shut off all the guidance resources these young ones have ever known.

the human wreckage of this disgusting practice is astronomical.

prologos

this bizarre, one rule fits all situations "bible-based" policy has created odd responses. The hard facts are though, that in many family cases, no amount of additional attention by the father will forestall an offspring going off the wt rails. So, relax and take the temporary wt setback not too seriously, elders!-- there is life after eldership shipwreck. ,