Posts by prologos

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Cult expert on Jehovah's Witnesses and Blood

by Lee Elder in

cult expert steven hassan analyzes the death of young canadian jw mother: https://freedomofmind.com/…/2016/10/21/a-watchtower-tragedy/.

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Steve Hassan: "--unnecessary loss of life- all due to misunderstanding Jewish Kashrut law.--

and the bible story: The talking snake prevailed. The first innocent victims (Cain & Abel), then try to make amends by trial sacrifices, god indicates he likes bloody meat (that can not be eaten yet ). so, it becomes a pattern, Abraham even preparing to kill his son. then: the perfect sacrifice (Jesus). turning water into wine and blood into wine (symbolically), but even then, according to wt, the blood monopoly for god has to be maintained. at all cost, even at the cost of further human sacrifices. faith better than Abraham's,-- or worse?, all based on a talking snake story.?

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Cult expert on Jehovah's Witnesses and Blood

by Lee Elder in

cult expert steven hassan analyzes the death of young canadian jw mother: https://freedomofmind.com/…/2016/10/21/a-watchtower-tragedy/.

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we hope two so similar, so close in time and place deaths are a fluke, and not what goes on, untold.

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Another Quebec JW woman dies after childbirth

by OrphanCrow in

milande louis cadet, a 46 year old jehovah's witness woman, died after childbirth in a montreal hospital on october 3, 2016.. this interview and story is in french.

i have done a poor google translate of the article...the tv story likely has more and better details.

http://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2016/10/24/lhopital-st-marys-reagit-au-deces-de-mirlande-louis-cadet.

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thinking on this, how tragic. Blood transfusions should have given doctors the time to get to the sources of these post-cesarian continuing blood losses, and stop them for good.

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Cult expert on Jehovah's Witnesses and Blood

by Lee Elder in

cult expert steven hassan analyzes the death of young canadian jw mother: https://freedomofmind.com/…/2016/10/21/a-watchtower-tragedy/.

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Another Witness, a young mother, died this month, Mirlande Louis Cadet, in Montreal Quebec after giving birth by cesarian, her death celebrated last Saturday, Oct 22. her brother alleges that the family or the liaison committee did not inform the larger family of the emergency situation. Interesting links when you google "temoins de jehovah funeraille a laval." In one of the links speaking of the previous death of E. Dupuis, the Quebec Health Minister seems to say the Liaison Committee is not a "blood police". ?.

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Watchtower Study Article 23/10/16 from August edition

by BluesBrother in

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-august-2016/do-you-see-the-need-to-train-others/.

much of the article is the usual thoughtless mush that we have come to expect these days.

the rank and file bros. are urged to reach out to train the new ones... .

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Every living moment of jws lives is to be spend in wt indoctrination.

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If Jehovah is our 'father', he would want humankind to independently govern itself

by fukitol in

all parents want their children to grow up, mature, and become happily independent.

no normal father or parent would ever want to govern and rule over their children forever.. so if jehovah exists and he is a heavenly 'father' to his human progeny, and if we truly are in his image as his children, then humankind was always destined to govern itself.

if you believe in the biblical narrative, jehovah always intended to let go of his human children and let us rule ourselves when we were ready.

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given that there was no talking snake, --just talking about parents, and the creator of it all, who is the ultimate parent, and observing from the inside, a family where an eighteen year old is straining at the constraints imposed by the mother:

Successful parents, for practical reasons, like their children to follow the same path as the one they found so successful. and then let the offspring do it on their own, because the hovering parents will run out of helicopter time. So, yes, what an odd way to deal with mature offspring in the bible story, to prune the majority off every once in awhile, hamper their progress, .Curiously the father tends to allow a more adventurous course, allowing for novel ways to lead to new patterns of success? and how will these forming ties, groups of young people govern themselves?

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Arrival of War in 1914 a Shocking Development

by berrygerry in

one comment-giver during the rules study, remarked that ww1 was predicted by wt to arrive in 1914, despite the fact that everyone expected an era of unparalleled peace.. this was something continuously drilled into our heads - how peaceful everything was prior to ww1.. when you look at wt library under 'world war i' - "unexpected" - the results are all offline - there are no recent references ( unexpected: re 106; w92 5/1 4-5; yb87 124; w86 2/15 5; w86 11/1 6 ).

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200276290.

the offline quotes are as follows:.

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whatever happened to the kingdom that was already established, existed long before 1914? Col 1:13 "-- transferred us into the kingdom of his Son's love--"?

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ExoMars Arrival - Schiaparelli

by TheWonderofYou in

16 october: separation of schiaparelli from tgo at 14:42 gmt / 16:42 cest 17 october: tgo orbit-raising manoeuvre at 02:42 gmt / 04:42 cest19 october: tgo mars orbit insertion and schiaparelli entry, descent and landing on mars (atmospheric entry expected 14:42 gmt / 16:42 cest, landing 14:48 gmt / 16:48 cest).

https://livestream.com/esa.

https://www.facebook.com/europeanspaceagency/.

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not to minimise or ridicule the achievement. great work. Even a rogue awake writer once suggested we would expand the paradise to other worlds too. but landing techniques should become standardized by now: the russians landed a rover on the moon early, ? Bezos and Musk are trying out their landing on barges and first stage rockets back on earth, more landings on asteroids, comets are planned, so, having personally heard the reassuring supersonic double bang of the shuttle returning, (and not), I hope they get their act together, before humans have to stake their lives on the self driving Mars re-entry vehicles. hopefully not doing a schia-pareille-oi

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Publisher death nail.

by Chook in

i have done this exactly as quoted more than once.

i ask elder if it's better to hide serious sin or reveal, of course we know the answer.

then i ask them to explain elders book page 38 paragraph 19, which say it's sometimes ok for elder who has committed immorality and has kept it secret to continue serving as elder.

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of course, one of the signs of repentance is supposed to be a contrite confession, not trying to hide, like the wt hero David did too. so: only if you are good at hiding and push the flock to increase aka produce blessings, is it swept under the rug. ugh.

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ExoMars Arrival - Schiaparelli

by TheWonderofYou in

16 october: separation of schiaparelli from tgo at 14:42 gmt / 16:42 cest 17 october: tgo orbit-raising manoeuvre at 02:42 gmt / 04:42 cest19 october: tgo mars orbit insertion and schiaparelli entry, descent and landing on mars (atmospheric entry expected 14:42 gmt / 16:42 cest, landing 14:48 gmt / 16:48 cest).

https://livestream.com/esa.

https://www.facebook.com/europeanspaceagency/.

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Thewonderofyou, you must be passionate about the space flights. Like in all flight, it is the landings that matter most, One of Mars' moons is Phobos He stays up there, like the gas orbiter, having the phobia of hard landings?