romans 13 : 1-7 "let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities" etc,"the existing authourities stand placed in their relative positions by god" 2".therefore he who opposers the authourity has taken a stand against the arrangement of god ,those who have taken a stand against it will recieve judgement to themselves "etc,etc,.."..to him who calls for honour such honour.".
isnt this plainly stating that christians should be supporting and playing along with the governments of this sytem of things ?
that it is in fact an arrangement of god ?
Satan was cast down to the Earth from heaven, causing terrible suffering for all here.
Annon: yeah if he wanted to win the contest of winning votes, would he not have showered mankind with goodness instead, in his final sprint? may be it was the other contestant that caused all the havoc, like he did in Babel, and in the same region again today? bad scriptwriting in that made up drama.
... old people!
yeah, i know, as pete kaye would say: "old people, you can't beat 'em .... pity".. but seriously, where else would you have a bunch or 17 year old lads chatting with some 80+ year old guy?.
i remember some of the old people in our old kh and they were genuinely nice people.
WTWizard, not many oldtimers are retired circuit overseers who live in their past glory days and would be talking in glowing terms to youngsters to perpetuate the slavery.
Old and fit people are the success story of the human race, A recent science article pointed out that the the long life of humans has been established by older and older men fathering children throughout the ages. Old people like to be surrounded by the future generation, those young ones though, are truly in a different world, and young people might be more dismissive of the old then ever. Hopefully, that sharing of great experience will happen before those particular old ones fade away.
The experience that there is life, satisfaction apart, beyond, and outside the wt straight jacket.
so just finished telling your concerns about the pedophiles cover up, failed prophecies, revisionists history and lack of financial transparency.
so elders ask you the questions.
" so does this mean you don't want to to be a jw anymore?
"do you believe Jehovah is directing his organization today?
nowwhat: one could say: given all the evidence, we would have to say yes.imo. because
speaking of Spirit direction, the finest example of Spirit direction in the bible is Jesus himself. He was directed by the Spirit to be tempted in the wilderness. so:
if you think there could be seen anything negative in observing the going- ons, that it is distressing, that would not have to be any more evidence of happening because of lack of Spirit direction,-- than in Jesus' case.-- so:
yes of course he does , seen by all the evidence.
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him: these girls are super weird but maybe i still have a shot at a virgin threesome!.
them: we must remember to bring brother oldenstein next time, otherwise we could arouse unclean thoughts in this young man..
girl showing her hand: look, no ring, I am available, and we need more males desperately, in 3 years you can be an eligible MS, even if you'r not an alpha male.
the jws have tried to pad the number of jws in camps.
how many actually went and how many died?
can you site the source also?
the reason many of the surviving JW's left the Org in the years after gaining freedom was that they "succumbed to materialism"
Phizzy, good observations, having survived the deprivation, hunger, mistreatment was an accomplishment to be proud of, what anticlimactic denouement to be greeted , after leaving the barbed wire, by an organisation that now encouraged you, in order for you to be newly accepted, to pioneer, perhaps living again on 1200 calories p/d, sans protein, you were so glad to be alive again, clean again, fed again, warm again, and here wt demanded to put "spiritual" things first. The human body does not work like that. materialism my foot. The executed witnesses were true martyrs. Maneuvering of the wt, nazis, will take nothing away from those glorious acts.
i have two honest questions for everyone here.
i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.
but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.
Why do they keep this info?
sparrowdown: I second opinions already expressed above, They might want to check recommendations that came in from the CO of new elder, MS appointments against that list in the branches. The problem with publishing is, that the list might contain false accusations, also, are theses offenders grades from voyeuism "from a distance" to violent child rape, from toddler victim to 17 year 11 month olds? homo and hetero? true or false, accused or convicted? possible libel suits against wt?
i’ve been reading up on the last days of the roman empire.
the rule became a tetrarchy; by four regional emperors or caesars.
the emperors had these necessary concerns; they always gave first consideration to the security of their own positions followed by the annual extraction of taxes and their territorial authority.
Wt has still 2 groups* of people who are their strong base , and there are equivalents that probably can be seen in the Roman empire :
1) the true believers, that rely on the divine for a crutch, or two, to lean on, who would be devoted supporters in any religion, the widow that gets a loan to contribute, would disown her children, but could not care less about, even understand, the changing doctrines , and
2) the power hungry, who see in the wt, with members sworn to submissiveness (or forced into it by shunning), a ready made field to fulfill that dream/drive. As an added incentive there is provided for their ilk a pool of divinely supervised, gullible, disenfranchised followers to be used as employees and as a clientbase. These "leaders" would, because of that mindset, support wt through any doctrine or procedure change to retain that power.
*not the two age groups of anointed that can stretch to 2075 and beyond. ha.
an informant in spanish forum, active elder in a congregation in madrid (spain) has posted new info regarding elders school 2017. important changes are to be done for "child" or sexual abuses.
https://abusostj.vbulletin.net/forum/main-forum/audiencias-judiciales/5506-escuela-de-ancianos-2017.
doing a summary:.
The victim might be asked to sign a statement according he/she is aware of the possibility to report to the authorities
This might actually deter some victims from reporting to police ( apart from Org shaming), because:
In the ensuing criminal processes, victims have been put through H-- by the defense lawyers, better to a keep quiet for many reasons, one more wt tactic to intimidate victims that's all.
found this interesting quasi legal religious statement at the bottom of this 》》》 jw.org page advertising "bible-based books and magazines":.
some updates made to digital publications may not yet appear in the printed edition.. glad to know that jehovah and the governing body have seen fit to inform the entire world that certain doctrinal teachings of "truth" may differ between digital and print edition of the watchtower magazine and bible-based books.
doesn't say much for the credibility of the guardians of doctrine.. confusingly, some of the doctrinal teachings, particularly in the online versions of bible-based books and magazines from the watchtower, have already undergone updates but these updates only appear in the new digital version of the new printed edition.. good thing we have a digital-only version of the "research guide for jehovah's witnesses" which is updated every year to contain all the references to the new teachings and interpretations of the bible.
very pertinent question, if the elders take nit picking doctrinal apostasy questions seriously. Of course it really does not matter.
In the 70s there was the case in the foreign language field, when certain refinements to the "marriage bed"/porneia issue were printed, but did not become translated until weeks later. The wt mag was studies in that language, but the english wt at that point already had flipped back to the more tolerant, " yes, it is bad, but only outside marriage " kind of understanding, so, the anxious young couples had to be reassured, no, this it is already old light, (although to you it was new light today) so, turn off the light, shut the door and don't worry about this sunday's wt study.
notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
of the tribe of Joseph--Ephraim and Manasseh--but excludes the tribe of Dan)
GLTirebiter: That switch always gave comfort to me, and should to many users here, because:
Joseph was the original whistleblower, hated by all the other jws of his time, and got a double reward for it, so , watch out wt, joseph is alive and well here.
the 144000 could not be the great crowd, but the 12 tribes that they come out of could could be. .
