Kelsey007, I'm not saying that Ray should be knocking down doors for the SilentLambs, but he could have *verbally* said I support what you're doing. I'm not in a position personally to do a whole lot for Bill, but I can say *verbally* that it's a good thing that he's doing and I support the cause. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that what Bill is doing is right. And yes, he did put himself *out there*, but that doesn't mean that he hasn't made sacrifices and lost people that were once dear friends. Because he made that his choice, we should say, well whatever he get's, he deserves? Bill has stood up and taken a stand for those who have had no say for years. I don't see anyone else doing this! My own brothers who are elders stood by and did nothing while my ex-husband physically and verbally abused me. I know it's Ray's right to be apart of Silentlambs or not, but I don't see where the harm would have been if he had said, Bill, I agree with what you're doing, it's about GODDAMN time someone with some balls stood up and started taking a stand*.
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The Real Truth About Raymond V. Franz Revealed!
by bjc2012 inand for those reasons, coj wanted in the beginning, to stay with the organization, just like bill bowens.
that is all carl wanted.
yes, as members of the governing body, they knew full well, exactly what carl's writings meant.
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proof of a "higher power"?
by Shakita ini spoke with my brother on the phone last night.
he lives in houston, texas and just loves it down there.
he lived in nj most of his life, but now would never live anywhere else but in the great state of texas!.
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I believe in angels. I was having a tough time after my father's suicide. I had horrible nightmares that woke me up in the night, making me cry uncontrollably. I was even hospitalized because of all the trumoil it had caused within myself and my family. At the time my mother was dying of breast cancer also. It seemed to be too much for me to take at that time.
One night I had a dream. It was so real. I dreamed my father came and sit down beside me and took my hand. We were both crying and he proceeded to tell me how sorry he was. He said that he would have never taken his life if he had known how bad it would have hurt me.
It was out of his character to ever say he was sorry for anything. To this day, I can't help but think it was a angel coming to me to give me comfort. Not sure if it was my dad or not, but whatever it was, it gave me a sense of comfort, a hint that in some way, he regreted his actions.
Maybe one day, we'll have all the answers to all these questions. I'd like to believe that there is something out there. Something bigger than what our minds can comprehend. Even though I find myself with questions about God, angels, afterlife, I try to live a honest and decent life. I try to be a good person and treat others the way I'd like to be treated. I hope that will count for something one day.
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So fed up!!!!! New here!
by Shytears in.
hmm,i dont how too start off,but ill try,so im 16 yrs old,im being raised as a jw,and it is hard as hell,sometimes i think,if this is the right religion arent you suppose to be happy??
?well i really cant do anything about that because my parents say no way they will let me go in "the world" nonsense!so im stuck here ,lonely,depressed,and confused,sometimes i wish id die,but i know that wont help nothing.i want out of this org so bad,but i cant do nothing about it.there always telling me dont let satan and the bad asscioates influence you!im sick of that.all my friends well i shold say my ex friends they never helped me,my as they say:worldy friends did.. also i really really like this guy,i know he like me but he is worldy and i wish so badly i could date him,(i hate the term worldy,so stupid)my parents seriously will not give me space and they are stuck up my @ss.please if u have any commets i would sincerly appriciate it:) laura
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One day soon, you'll see the door named exit and to it you will run!
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About Bill Bowen
by Nordic inthe campaign bill bowen have startet for the sake of little children abused is so brave.
now the children have a voice to speak on their behalf.
i don't think you can truly understand what i am talking about if not are a victim of child abuse.
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Amen Nordic.
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The Real Truth About Raymond V. Franz Revealed!
by bjc2012 inand for those reasons, coj wanted in the beginning, to stay with the organization, just like bill bowens.
that is all carl wanted.
yes, as members of the governing body, they knew full well, exactly what carl's writings meant.
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CC and I read both of Ray's books. They were the final insturments that caused us to see the WTS for what it was. Bill has opened the door and made it possible for many to come out and speak up about abuse within the WTS. Both these men are just that....men. Imperfect men who have made mistakes in their life, like everyone else here. We've ALL been through alot and we're doing the best we can! As it was said eariler, why beat a dead horse. I wish Bill had never posted what he did about Ray and he probably wishes he hadn't either, but you have to remember, he's been through alot of presure and rejection from the WTS. We all behave differently than we normally would when we are under a great deal of pressure. I remember when my father took his life, my whole family acted in ways that we would have never acted. As I look back, I apologized for things, even when I wasn't in the wrong, but I did it for the sake of peace. To me, it was worth it to be *happy* rather than push the issue of being *right*. I think all this name calling is uncalled for and only discredits your comments. Yes, Bill started all this, but what do some of you want? Would it make you happy if we took him out and stoned him to death? For God's sake, lighten up! It's like everyone is turning on each other like a pack of wolves! If I had wanted all this bullshit, I would have stayed in the org.
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Christmas Gift Exchange Gimme Gimme Wantme List
by scootergirl ini think it is time to stop cheerleading for the christmas gift x-change......we have quite a few names and i am really excited!
i am crossing off names as they post to this thread...... .
gentlyferal beckmelbourne truckergbveniceit pettygrundger talley mamashel nilfun beautifulgarbage orangefatcat been_there simon angharad heaven vickie butalbeexenawarrior mouthy animal debradoll ladylee mulan the_star joannadandy searchin50 happy2b scarlet randomtask celia siegswife caligirl waiting tinkerbell4125cc ridercoolbreeze onacruise/bikerchick ballistic windchaser flower elsewhere queer_reality kelpie revmalk funkyderek grout notinterested joy2bfree connielyne valis cowboy englishman plumkrzy lyineyes dutchie eyegirl scootergirl perry syn scully mac trotafax lovesdubs wild_thing lilacs yerusalyimbobsgirldawnmackincassiline maximumflash granny linda sortafairytale.
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Scooter, we got it!!! Thanks sweetie!!!
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Hug me and go to hell..........
by Dawn inweird subject title, i know - but let me explain................. i am df'd (12+ yrs now) so when my father (an elder) passed away last year i was shunned by everyone but one sister who came up and hugged me.
since the funeral, whenever i run into her she always gives me a hug - nice i thought.. then last week i run into her at the supermarket - she gives me a hug and then makes a joke saying "guess i'm going to hell now".........so i replied...."really?
that's too bad because i won't be there".
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Yeah, what was she talking about!!!! You mean the WTS has new light again and now they believe in hell!!!! I wish they'd make up their minds!!!!
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I just had an extremely embarrassing moment!
by gilwarrior inok, here is what happened.
i had someone from this site (who i won't name) who sent me two e-mails.
this person told me that they read the post where i mentioned that i have had a rough time since i got to las vegas.
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LOL....too funny! Thanks for sharing that!!!
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Xmas Xchange peeps LOOK HERE!
by scootergirl inas of 10:00 this morning all names have been sent out via emails.
please, please take a look in your email boxes and make sure that you received one.
if not, email me.
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SYN, your pic kills me!!!! Too funny!!!!
Scooter, I've got my name, but still waiting on CC's! This is so much fun!!! Gotta go check out the list now!!! Thanks again for doing this! Great idea!
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JW's break up families
by LB inmy jw friend was reinstated this past week.
but during the little meeting one of the elders kept hammering her about non business visits with her adult children.
he kept it up so much the other two elders began to get a bit embarressed.
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I would hate to be in those guy's shoes when they stand before the God who is love, and have to explain themselves.
Francois, my sentiments exactly! I'm sorry to hear about your family.
LB, I don't understand why she would want to be reinstated to begin with. I swear, I just don't get it. After the way I was treated by the elders back in 1999, there was no way that I wanted to be part of a organization that treated people like that. I wont get into the whole thing, but after what I went through, there was NO WAY I wanted to be a part of it! Even at the risk of losing my j.w. family. I just hope that one day they will open their eyes and get out too! Doubt that will happen, but you never know!!!