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  Russell v Russell: the 1908 court transcript

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  does anyone know how to obtain a copy?.

  i have poked around pennsylvania websites, attempting to figure out how to obtain the transcript, but recently, i have it on good authority that the transcript went missing from the pennsylvania archives over 30 years ago.

  it is likely that there is vested interest (jws, bible students) to keep this hidden..

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  Saintbertholdt

  Hi Londo111,

  If you get a reply, would you post a web link if it is online somewhere?

  I do seem to remember I read vast tracts of the transcript many years ago. I think it was in pdf format if I'm not mistaken. I should have downloaded it.

  SB
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  Did you know that President Jimmy Carter used to be a Jehovah's Witness?

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.christianpost.com/news/jimmy-carter-says-jesus-would-not-support-abortion-revealing-only-conflict-between-his-politics-and-christian-faith-141881/.

  carter said that as a young man he used to be a jehovah's witness before he was a baptist christian.. .

  "it's hard to grow up with such a foundational system and just let it go.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Hi Simon,

  Unfortunately the Carter JW connection is bogus.

  See Breakfast of Champions post and the rest.
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  Did you know that President Jimmy Carter used to be a Jehovah's Witness?

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.christianpost.com/news/jimmy-carter-says-jesus-would-not-support-abortion-revealing-only-conflict-between-his-politics-and-christian-faith-141881/.

  carter said that as a young man he used to be a jehovah's witness before he was a baptist christian.. .

  "it's hard to grow up with such a foundational system and just let it go.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Hi Juan Viejo,

  Eisenhower did take the oath of office as President on a Bible given to him by his mother that was printed by the Watchtower Society.

  Yes, an American Standard Version which the Watchtower used at that time.

  From the Watchtower of 1 June 1957 article: Conspiracy Against Jehovah’s Name?

  However, in telling of President Eisenhower’s taking his oath of office and having his Bible turned to or opened at Psalm 33:12, the press did not quote that text the way it reads in that American Standard Version Bible: “Blessed is the nation whose God is Jehovah, the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.” No, but the press quoted it as it reads in the King James Version: “Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.”
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  Did you know that President Jimmy Carter used to be a Jehovah's Witness?

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.christianpost.com/news/jimmy-carter-says-jesus-would-not-support-abortion-revealing-only-conflict-between-his-politics-and-christian-faith-141881/.

  carter said that as a young man he used to be a jehovah's witness before he was a baptist christian.. .

  "it's hard to grow up with such a foundational system and just let it go.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Hi Blondie,

  "...and he attended the home meetings when he was young. But he ;never was baptized or identified himself as a jw."

  That certainly is true. As you probably know he left home for West Point when he was 20. He actually hid his Bible Student background and many biographers only refer to the River Brethren connection. While growing up his parents held weekly Bible student meetings at their home and even had a big chart in the living room with a Pyramid with Russell's timeline. The reason why Eisenhower never wanted to acknowledge his Bible Student background was obvious: The pacifism of the Jehovah's Witnesses, which would have caused him problems in his military and political career. Interestingly enough he was not a member of any church until he was 60 years old when he finally joined the Presbyterian church.
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  Did you know that President Jimmy Carter used to be a Jehovah's Witness?

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.christianpost.com/news/jimmy-carter-says-jesus-would-not-support-abortion-revealing-only-conflict-between-his-politics-and-christian-faith-141881/.

  carter said that as a young man he used to be a jehovah's witness before he was a baptist christian.. .

  "it's hard to grow up with such a foundational system and just let it go.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Hi JWdaughter,

  "A lot of religiously based writing tends to ignore facts in favor of writing uplifting and encouraging things to promote their faith-based interests."

  There is one western religious news organization which I actually respect very much:

  THE CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR

  I say this as an atheist. They just do good reporting.
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  If you "chose" this religion, as I did, do you remember the moment you "bought" the religion?

  by Muddy Waters in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  if you "chose" this religion, as i did, do you remember the moment you "bought", or believed, the religion?.

  for me, it was during one of my studies with a knowledgeable, lovely pioneer sister who looked like her life was so perfect and wonderful.

  i was coming out of a terrible situation in my life, very vulnerable, being abandoned by a husband during my pregnancy and with other little children to look after too.

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  Saintbertholdt

  I was brought up with the religion so I guess there was never 'that' moment.

  I can tell my mothers story though:

  My grandmother was a devoted catholic and she had gotten a divorce because of my grandfather's infidelity. According to the Catholic church at that time, divorce was a mortal sin and so she would burn in hell for eternity. My mother could not understand how her mother, who had given everything to raise her children and who was such a gentle soul would end up in hell. (Later on the Catholic church would popularize special dispensation and so my grandma would no longer be going to hell by necessity.)

  One day my eldest brother was playing in the driveway. At that time he was still a toddler and I was still a distant future accident waiting to happen. While looking out the kitchen window my mother noticed he was coloring something in with a crayon. My mother went outside and saw that it was a book. She thought it looked pretty expensive and so she took the book away (probably to his woeful disgust). Turns out it was Witness literature. She started to read and lo and behold she stumbled upon a section on the fate and state of the dead. She was instantly sold on the religion because now there was a way to solve my grandmother's eternal damnation dilemma.

  Since that fateful incident the 'Truth' has dominated our family history to this very day.
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  Did you know that President Jimmy Carter used to be a Jehovah's Witness?

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.christianpost.com/news/jimmy-carter-says-jesus-would-not-support-abortion-revealing-only-conflict-between-his-politics-and-christian-faith-141881/.

  carter said that as a young man he used to be a jehovah's witness before he was a baptist christian.. .

  "it's hard to grow up with such a foundational system and just let it go.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Aw shucks!
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  Say Something Jehovah's Witnessy........

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know there's no such word as "witnessy" but this can be a fun thread.

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  Saintbertholdt

  [insert whatever cockamamie rule]..."is just another loving provision from Jehovah"

  In private: "...there was so much spiritual food at the DC I think I have spiritual indigestion."
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  Did you know that President Jimmy Carter used to be a Jehovah's Witness?

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.christianpost.com/news/jimmy-carter-says-jesus-would-not-support-abortion-revealing-only-conflict-between-his-politics-and-christian-faith-141881/.

  carter said that as a young man he used to be a jehovah's witness before he was a baptist christian.. .

  "it's hard to grow up with such a foundational system and just let it go.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Hi there,

  That is mighty interesting. Its the second US president in the 20th century with a JW backround. (The other being Eisenhower)

  I have always liked Jimmy Carter, doesn't matter what people say about him (usually lame duck). I had a period of being a Baptist as well, so we got two religions in common :)
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  How do jw's explain vestigial organs in humans?

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i only recently became aware of cases of people being born with tails.

  having looked into it this is a evolutionary leftover and we have many other examples within each one of us like the appendix, wisdom teeth, and muscles to move the ears.

  plus many more, this seems to me to prove evolution completely.

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  Saintbertholdt

  I don't know about vestigial organs, but here's something I found interesting:

  Its from the book 'The Greatest Show on Earth' by Richard Dawkins:

  The vas deferens is the pipe that carries sperm from the testis to the penis. The most direct

  route is the fictitious one shown on the left-hand side of the diagram opposite. The actual route taken by

  the vas deferens is shown on the right of the diagram. It takes a ridiculous detour around the ureter, the

  pipe that carries urine from the kidney to the bladder. If this were designed, nobody could seriously deny

  that the designer had made a bad error. But, just as with the recurrent laryngeal nerve, all becomes clear

  when we look at evolutionary history. The likely original position of the testes is shown in dotted lines.

  When, in the evolution of mammals, the testes descended to their present position in the scrotum (for

  reasons that are unclear, but are often thought to be associated with temperature), the vas deferens

  unfortunately got hooked the wrong way over the ureter. Rather than reroute the pipe, as any sensible

  engineer would have done, evolution simply kept on lengthening it – once again, the marginal cost of

  each slight increase in length of detour would have been small. Yet again, it is a beautiful example of an

  initial mistake compensated for in a post hoc fashion, rather than being properly corrected back on the

  drawing board. Examples like this must surely undermine the position of those who hanker after

  ‘intelligent design’.