if you are sure there is no god, do you then believe that we,our minds, are the highest intelligence?
not just of the universe, but the cosmos?.
cofty said:
An atheist is unconvinced by the grandiose claims of theism, bored by the irrelevance of deism and can't understand why agnostics think "I haven't decided yet" deserves a label.
Why can't you understand agnostics haven't decided yet? I am sure you did not wake up overnight and say I don't belive in God anymore
i'm thinking around 20% have serious doubts and 99% have some doubts but keep them from becoming conscious to avoid cognitive dissonance.
this is becoming increasingly harder to do over the fact that the governing body are showing their true colors and the contridictions are so great..
It has to be small percentage, but the few that wake up know what the price is for speaking out. I am sure that 100% of the DO's and CO's have doubts and simply handle it by applying faith as the fix for everything.
we often see "starting from a false premise" enacted on here.
believers will start from the basis that there is a god.. bible believers will start from the basis that it is the word of god in some measure, and worse are jw apologists, they pre-suppose that the first two are a given, and that their beloved property company posing as a religion is god's organization.. none of those premises have been proven, some have been disproven, but we are supposed to go along with them.. now, you may be happy to debate on that basis, in fact it is probably good "exercise", but in the end i find their arrogant, unproven assertions begin to really annoy me, and then i stick in what is known on here as a "cofty", which is a short, succinct comment that points out the big hole in their presentation.. the only thing you find then is, either the apologist cuts and runs, or totally ignores your "cofty".. i think, even if we enjoy debating for a while with such people, at a certain point we need to call them out on their false premise, or premises, otherwise a j.w lurking here may simply accept the words of the apologist and gain nothing in the way of truth..
The question is, what will you do with the evidence in front of you?
we often see "starting from a false premise" enacted on here.
believers will start from the basis that there is a god.. bible believers will start from the basis that it is the word of god in some measure, and worse are jw apologists, they pre-suppose that the first two are a given, and that their beloved property company posing as a religion is god's organization.. none of those premises have been proven, some have been disproven, but we are supposed to go along with them.. now, you may be happy to debate on that basis, in fact it is probably good "exercise", but in the end i find their arrogant, unproven assertions begin to really annoy me, and then i stick in what is known on here as a "cofty", which is a short, succinct comment that points out the big hole in their presentation.. the only thing you find then is, either the apologist cuts and runs, or totally ignores your "cofty".. i think, even if we enjoy debating for a while with such people, at a certain point we need to call them out on their false premise, or premises, otherwise a j.w lurking here may simply accept the words of the apologist and gain nothing in the way of truth..
We all have the same evidence in front of us, we have the same sacred writings, we have to same earth, the same universe, the same fossils, etc... The difference is the way we view such evidence and how sometimes we are not willing to accept the evidence in front of us, for example the same technology and understanding we use to authenticate writings from antiquity is good. But when we use the same technology and find the earth is not 6,000 years old, that we did not have a global flood, that the account of Genesis cannot be true, the theist will simply dismiss it as inconclusive and faulty technology. Ironic isn't it?
if you are sure there is no god, do you then believe that we,our minds, are the highest intelligence?
not just of the universe, but the cosmos?.
Cofty, I sometimes doubt you were ever a JW elder with the way you comment... Lol
we often see "starting from a false premise" enacted on here.
believers will start from the basis that there is a god.. bible believers will start from the basis that it is the word of god in some measure, and worse are jw apologists, they pre-suppose that the first two are a given, and that their beloved property company posing as a religion is god's organization.. none of those premises have been proven, some have been disproven, but we are supposed to go along with them.. now, you may be happy to debate on that basis, in fact it is probably good "exercise", but in the end i find their arrogant, unproven assertions begin to really annoy me, and then i stick in what is known on here as a "cofty", which is a short, succinct comment that points out the big hole in their presentation.. the only thing you find then is, either the apologist cuts and runs, or totally ignores your "cofty".. i think, even if we enjoy debating for a while with such people, at a certain point we need to call them out on their false premise, or premises, otherwise a j.w lurking here may simply accept the words of the apologist and gain nothing in the way of truth..
If science adjusts its view based on observable evidence, that means the previous understanding was based in a false premise. But that false premise was able to guide us to a better understanding.
People forget that what atheists promote is that is very unlikely that a God like the one described in the bible or any other sacred writings from antiquity can be real.
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hey babe, how about you and me doing a -.
generation overlap
lol wasblind
we often see "starting from a false premise" enacted on here.
believers will start from the basis that there is a god.. bible believers will start from the basis that it is the word of god in some measure, and worse are jw apologists, they pre-suppose that the first two are a given, and that their beloved property company posing as a religion is god's organization.. none of those premises have been proven, some have been disproven, but we are supposed to go along with them.. now, you may be happy to debate on that basis, in fact it is probably good "exercise", but in the end i find their arrogant, unproven assertions begin to really annoy me, and then i stick in what is known on here as a "cofty", which is a short, succinct comment that points out the big hole in their presentation.. the only thing you find then is, either the apologist cuts and runs, or totally ignores your "cofty".. i think, even if we enjoy debating for a while with such people, at a certain point we need to call them out on their false premise, or premises, otherwise a j.w lurking here may simply accept the words of the apologist and gain nothing in the way of truth..
Very well said Kate! For any lurking JW, you have to understand that you have the option to study many different set of beliefs and you can come to your own conclusions. Don't allow anyone of us to impose what we believe is true but do not close yourself to new information, try to learn why the other side thinks and believes the way they do.
Don't feel angry if you come here to debate and have to face hard facts...
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hey babe, how about you and me doing a -.
generation overlap
This was Fred Franz pick up line:
Hey honey, The time is at hand so What Will You Do With Your Life? I've been Paying Attention to myself and to All the Flock, and you have not gone unnoticed. That's why I want to give you some Aid to Bible Understanding and Insight on the Scriptures .
Baby, let's take it to the next step and start Dwelling Together in Unity, and making Sure of All Things, because Time is Running Out for Mankind .
Look! I am Making All Things New here and I want us to Enjoy Life on Earth Forever! So let's find out What is True Love? and don't forget that I can offer you an unforgettable Revelation and Grand Climax At Hand!
i think by most accounts, my previous posts have testified to my moving towards an agnostic stance.
i just don't know and i can't believe for belief's sake.
i came across a quote i thought quite timely in my journey.. .
Take your faith and test it to the max.
