Posts by suavojr

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just what am I supposed to believe now??

by purrpurr in

while i'm glad i found this site, it has also crumbled to bits everything i've believed in my whole life.

i feel like the certainty, magic and wonder has gone out of my life.

this has left a huge hole in my soul.

suavojr

Here is what Doug Mason advised me:

suavojr,

I have travelled the road you describe.

Remain true to yourself; respect the right of others to their beliefs, and ask for the same in return. Break free from the regimentation imposed by religious leaders; recognise that all wriitngs, including the Bible, are the imaginings and assumptions of men and women.

Theology, eschatology, soteriology are interesting but nothing more. It does not matter what you think of God - every believer has a different idea anyway - what matters is that if there is a God, what she/he/it thinks of you.

Do good to others, be satisfied that during your life you have made a contribution to someone.

Go outside and hear the birds, smell the flowers, marvel at nature, the clouds, the real things that matter.

As I said, I have travelled the journey you speak of. There is the desire to dip the toe in the water but to hang on to the land. I have gone from rabid believer to agnostic, probably verging as an atheist. I have survived the journey, just as you shall.

Know with complete confidence that the feared Armagedon and the Divine "Coming" will not take place.

I wish you freedom - freedom from religion, from the pressures of religionists, freedom from people who want you to feel guilty. Break out.

Doug

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Barb Anderson relates amazing info about Knorr, also Senior Bethel Writers

by Dogpatch in

"is it possible that many of the organizational sexual policies began when (in the late 70s early 80s?

) some of the people at bethel and even some of the gb were found out to be visiting gay bars?

i did hear about some bethelites visiting gay bars or engaging in homosexual acts in the late 70s and early 80s and were asked to leave bethel.

suavojr

Real good stuff!

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Please contact me if you're in the US and between 18 and 40 and want to be on TV telling your story.

by AndersonsInfo in

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contact me through my website at: http://watchtowerdocuments.org/contact-barbara/.

thank you,.

barbara.

suavojr

Just wow What a horrible experience. Thanks Barbara for all you do

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If you thought Tony Moris the Third was extreme, wait till you hear this other GB member!

by Island Man in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqzc2m8_mba&list=uus0vqkpnsxult0gsz6ahpta.

suavojr

This talk is a gem! You now see why they don't want people recording talks and posting it online. If I get my wife to hear this she would just flip out. I will let yoy guys know how it goes...

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Index of my Watchtower Doctrine Threads

by cofty in

i just wanted to put links to my watchtower threads all in the same place for my own benefit and future reference.. i wrote these 4 articles almost 20 years ago just after i left the watchtower and before i had encountered any ex-jw books or websites.

they were all based on original research of old wt publications and the nwt bible.. my explanation of why they got it wrong about blood using only the nwt.... i still think this line of reasoning is devastating to the blood doctrine.

i have yet to hear a rational response.. the gospel contrasted with the watchtower doctrine of the ransom.... i wrote this when i was an uber-evangelical.

suavojr

Nice, I have read 3 out of the 4. I will definitely enjoy reading the one talking about the ramson.

Thanks cofty

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If END is Imminent, Why Witness in Silence in Public Places?

by ProfCNJ in

we were taught for 100 years that the end or armageddon is imminent, as if it is coming in a hurry.

but look now at the new way of sharing god's kingdom in uk which i find as a complete irony.

"thousands have switched tactics to stand on street corners in more than a dozen cities across britain - and unusually for public preachers, they are staying almost completely silent... unlike other evangelical preachers, they do not shout or call attention to themselves - instead standing in near-silence until someone approaches them."http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2691254/how-jehovahs-witnesses-got-street-smart-believers-swap-infamous-doorstepping-standing-outside-train-stations-shops.html.

suavojr

JW's are not allowed to display the bible how contradictory

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Testimony card returns

by sir82 in

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friends

old timers, or careful readers of the proclaimers book, are familiar with the "testimony card" used in the early days of rutherford-era door to door witnessing.

the jw would traipse up to a house, knock, hand the card over to the householder, and wait while he read it.. well, it seems that "everything old is new again".

here is an excerpt from a recent boe letter:.

suavojr

Lol these are like the card you find in public bathrooms from fundis warning us of hell!

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If END is Imminent, Why Witness in Silence in Public Places?

by ProfCNJ in

we were taught for 100 years that the end or armageddon is imminent, as if it is coming in a hurry.

but look now at the new way of sharing god's kingdom in uk which i find as a complete irony.

"thousands have switched tactics to stand on street corners in more than a dozen cities across britain - and unusually for public preachers, they are staying almost completely silent... unlike other evangelical preachers, they do not shout or call attention to themselves - instead standing in near-silence until someone approaches them."http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2691254/how-jehovahs-witnesses-got-street-smart-believers-swap-infamous-doorstepping-standing-outside-train-stations-shops.html.

suavojr

Easy... the COBE told us the answer to that one from the platform a few weeks ago.

It is because when people walk by and look at the JW's and the literature, Jehovah is analyzing their hearts and determining if they are worthy of salvation during Armageddon.

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I'm sitting here listening to a JW try to recruit somebody

by Terry in

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friends

i'm at starbucks .

just outside in the courtyard.. i'm trembling.

my hands are shaking.. wow!.

suavojr

Terry,

You did what you had to do and could do, if he decides to go back, then it is his fault and not yours. But I know that conversations like these stay with us for a long time and it keeps building up. Unfortunately some people never get to see the rage that JW.org (formerly the WT) shows towards innocent people.

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Speculation Fall AGM

by Poztate in

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a lot of comments have been made about possible big changes at the agm in the fall.. comments range from changes to the blood doctrine or who compose the one hundred and forty four thousand.. my speculation is.... (and if someone else had this kind of thread i am not stealing from you..just never read it).

the door to door as we know it will cease to exist.

the publishing of a monthly public wt and awake will end.. instead each month a tract with different subjects and a redirect to jw.org will come out.

suavojr

They are to invested in the image of door to door. The WT study for today was emphasizing how you have to be discreet and courteous while going door to door. Also, why eliminate this method when it is free advertisement and helps with the idea of Armageddon hitting any time.

I can see them having just one magazine for the public and possibly changing the name. They can keep the WT study edition and print several months of special tracts to direct the people to the best website in the world! "JW.ORG"

The blood doctrine is staying and the 144,000. Every change they have made is because they have been been forced to make them. Right now the blood issue and the 144,000 is quiet subject, I don't know of any outside force that will cause them to change this as of right now.