avishai,
"If you're thinking about hurting or having sex w/ a child, you have to kill yourself right now. You just have to step in to that pitch & take one for the team
LOL!
and this is why Dennis Miller is one of my favorite comedians.
TR
this is not a question regarding bill bowen/ray franz et.
al.
that has been discussed elsewhere.
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let's talk about this.. i have lots of friends on this board.
so..........can we still be friends, if i disagree with you?
(daniel 10:1 niv) .
" -- isaiah 49:1, 6 .
but jesus did.
like carl olof jonsson, this is the first time i have ever written to this forum.
i have decided to do so, however, because i am saddened at what bill bowen has chosen to do in reference to ray franz.
let me say that i given bill full marks for publicizing an issue child abuse and the watchtower cover up of it and for taking a stand that has cost him a great deal personally.
i am at home minding my own business.
i went upstairs to find something to cook for dinner, i bend down to get some chicken and.........
a damn kingdom song pops into my head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
does anyone have a clue as to how elders actually get appointed?
well, can you believe it, it has been a year since i timidly joined this forum!
(yes me, i was very timid at first!
i came looking to see if anyone else had the same experience as me in finding out that the wtbts is just another manmade organization with dangling carrots and big sticks.
why can't we all just drop it.
talking this to death won't change anything!!!!!!!!!
i don't understand the reason or need to "take sides".
Crap! I was just going to start a new thread on the subject!
But seriously, I gleaned some good points from Bill, Focus and Dung on the subject of why RF did nothing, wrote nothing, and said very little about the molestation issue. I also appreciate Amazing relating to us what RF said himself. Although it seems hard for me to believe that RF was never confronted with the issue, it wasn't until recently that I myself learned how truly pervasive the problem is. Then again, I wasn't a GB member either.
So, bottom line, these people have done a great job of exposing WTS shenanigans.
TR
i wish them peace.
at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.
for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.
and for those reasons, coj wanted in the beginning, to stay with the organization, just like bill bowens.
that is all carl wanted.
yes, as members of the governing body, they knew full well, exactly what carl's writings meant.