Thanks very much Atlantis. A very good gem about independent thinking or thought captured inside too. Watchtower = word and opposite simultaneously
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Longlivetherenegades
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Request!----Atlantis Is There Anywhere Else The Watchtower Admits?
by Atlantis inatlantis, is there anywhere else that the watchtower admits that disfellowshipping or excommunication is pagan?.
sure, they said the same thing back in 1880 about a lot of churches being like the beast for practicing excommunication.. as papacy established the priesthood over the church, soprotestantism has established almost the same, and there isno opportunity for the body to edify itself, every joint takingpart.
true, there is a seeming show of liberty at prayer meetings,&c., but it is only upon the surface, for the ordainedpastor is to watch zealously lest anything contrary to theteachings of his church should be expressed, and if so tosilence the audacious member at once, for the church creedis the rule, not the word of god.
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Jesus is Archangel Michael. How and why?
by Longlivetherenegades inhow and why will michael need blood of the lamb to battle with the dragon?
how come michael needs blood of the lamb if michael is indeed jesus christ?
is there anything like blood of angel michael in the scriptures?
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How and why will Michael need blood of the Lamb to battle with the dragon?
How come Michael needs blood of the lamb if Michael is indeed Jesus Christ?
Is there anything like blood of Angel Michael in the scriptures?
And war broke out in heaven: And war broke out in heaven: Miʹchael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled but they did not prevail,nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven............... And they conquered him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their witnessing, and they did not love their soul even in the face of death.
........ The psalmist lamented: “Not one of them can by any means redeem even a brother, nor give to God a ransom for him; (and the redemption price of their soul is so precious that it has ceased to time indefinite).” The New English Bible says that the ransom price was “for ever beyond his power to pay.” (Psalm 49:7, 8) Who, then, would provide the ransom? Only Jehovah could provide the perfect “Lamb . . . that takes away the sin of the world.” (John 1:29) God did not send some angel to rescue mankind. He made the supreme sacrifice of sending his only-begotten Son, “the one he was specially fond of.”—Proverbs 8:30; John 3:16........ Watchtower February 15 1991page 14 paragraph 15
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Disfellowshipped for Fornication
by TxNVSue2023 inhi i want to tell my story and get advice.
i'm a single sister ( in usa) that has been baptized for 20 years.
i came from the world, so did not grow up in the truth and i have no family in the truth -- i am alone.. last year i met a brother & we did have premarital sex while we were dating.
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@ Rattigan350
You need to consult your manuals and stop defending those who deem themselves to be apostles of which they are not.
If a publisher in the congregation is known to have unnecessary association with disfellowshipped or disassociated relatives who are not in the household, elders should use the Scriptures to counsel and reason with him. Review with him information from the Remain in God’s Love book, page 241. If it is clear that a Christian is violating the spirit of the disfellowshipping decree in this regard and does not respond to counsel,he would not qualify for congregation privileges, which require one to be exemplary. He would not be dealt with judicially unless there is persistent spiritual association or he persists in openly criticizing the disfellowshipping decision.
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The Watchtower—Study Edition | July 2023
by RULES & REGULATIONS instudy article 31.
“be steadfast, immovable”.
11 at times, we might reason that the direction jehovah gives us is not sufficient.
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February 2017 watchtower........ The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food.
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Article 13.........At times, we might reason that the direction Jehovah gives us is not sufficient. We might even be tempted to “go beyond the things that are written.” (1 Cor. 4:6) The religious leaders in Jesus’ day were guilty of this sin. By adding man-made rules to the Law, they imposed a heavy burden on the common people. (Matt. 23:4) Jehovah gives us clear direction through his Word and through his organization. We have no reason to add to the instruction he provides. (Prov. 3:5-7) Therefore, we do not go beyond what is written in the Bible or make rules for fellow believers about personal matters.
Nope Jehovah cannot give clear directions. It will never happen, it simply cannot since the voice of Jesus and Jehovah are filled with errors and mistakes in doctrines and organisation direction.
Don't ask me how I know, ask Jehovah and Jesus the Guardians of our Doctrines. Delusions and they don't know they are deluded.
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Disfellowshipped for Fornication
by TxNVSue2023 inhi i want to tell my story and get advice.
i'm a single sister ( in usa) that has been baptized for 20 years.
i came from the world, so did not grow up in the truth and i have no family in the truth -- i am alone.. last year i met a brother & we did have premarital sex while we were dating.
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Longlivetherenegades
You are not dedicated to Jehovah, Jesus alone, you equally dedicated yourself to the religious organization called Watchtower and the numerous policies used in running the corporation. So when you seek repentance and forgiveness from Jehovah and Jesus, you will equally go and bow down to them to forgive you to live according to your dedication. Hope the message is clear Sue. Stop worrying here and there about their actions. On the outside they look like sheep, on the inside when you have eventually agreed to dedicate yourself to them they are wolves. They won't treat you kindly when you cross those policies codenamed keeping the congregation clean. You have to follow their dictate just like people do in the numerous organisations out there they work or you get thrown out.
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If JW is not the truth, then what is the true religion?
by TxNVSue2023 ineven though i'm disfellowshiped ( & i belive wrongfully so).
i still belive this is the truth.
i have been d'f for about 8 months now and working on reinstatement.
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Please read carefully.......TxNVSue2023
When persons are in great danger from a source that they do not suspect or are being misled by those they consider their friends, is it an unkindness to warn them? They may prefer not to believe the warning. They may even resent it. But does that free one from the moral responsibility to give that warning? -- The Watchtower January 15,1974
The JW or Watchtower is not the truth. Read the extract from Ray Franz words in his book In search of Christian freedom pg 712 the first paragraph there
"In summary, then, even as I am convinced that the one true religion is christianity itself, not some religious system claiming to represent and exemplify it, I also believe that the truth is found in the Scriptures, not in any particular set of interpretations that men have developed or may yet develop. That truth is not only in the words themselves but also in the revelation they bring to us of God and of his Son. We will almost inevitably differ in our understanding on some points but, if governed by God’s spirit, should have no great difficulty in agreeing on those teachings clearly and plainly stated."
What you call truth so far are what I call the indoctrination of watchtower. Had you read the bible outside of watchtower's interpretation you will see that the Watchtower kept shooting itself in the foot by saying they are the one true religion and the truth. Why?
1. Jesus said.... he is the way, the truth and the life. Watchtower too say they are the way the truth and the life. You cannot serve two masters. One of the master here(watchtower/guardians of our doctrines) are error prone, make mistakes in doctrines and organisation direction and are false prophets up till date. The Jesus you know is not like that.
2. Who are those doing God's will today? Watchtower wants you to believe that Jehovah’s witnesses are the only ones doing God's will today but you know your Bible tells you that...... For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, that one is my brother and sister and mother.”. The Jehovah’s witnesses taught you that you that Jesus has only 144000 brothers all others are friends.
3. Jehovah’s witnesses taught you have to be a member of their religious organization to have everlasting life. That is not what your Bible says. It states.... For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.”
4. Jehovah’s witnesses indoctrinate and manipulate you into thinking Matthew 7:13-14, talks about religions and that the narrow road or way leading to everlasting life is the Watchtower organization. Your Bible and Jesus taught you that there are two ways broad and narrow and your same Jesus says he is the way to the truth and life.
5. James 1:27 states The form of worship or religion that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father is this: to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself without spot from the world.
No where in the scripture above states that worship or religion is the Watchtower organization or the Jehovah’s witnesses. The Watchtower organization cannot keep itself without spot from the world based on its numerous organisation policies and procedures that keeps abusing children, leading members to commit suicide and policies that goes against God's ministers as found in Romans 13. They went ahead to publish the book pure worship restored at last but you know the pure worship they restored has nothing to do with James 1:27.
It will be of interest for me to know the duration between your Bible study programme with the Jehovah’s witnesses and baptism and how long have you been a baptized member. Finally, nothing the Jehovah’s witnesses propagate as truth and as been the only true religion here they did not obtain from somewhere else. All what they teach as truth today exist long before the religious organization you know as Jehovah’s witnesses came into existence even the name Jehovah did not originate with this religious organization. The reason a notable ex-member called it a grand fraud.
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Mary And The Two Witness Rule
by NotFormer inhttps://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/47672/top-secret-confidential.
in the above page, the september 1, 1987 watchtower article about breaching confidentiality is quoted.
mary is a medical worker and finds out that someone in congregation has had an abortion.
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@NotFormer
Perhaps read from page 365 of In search of Christian freedom by Raymond Franz to page 368 a perfect example recorded
terrible informant system in the world of Jehovah’s Witnesses
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dailly text 6/26
by pokertopia inbecome imitators of me.—1 cor.
11:1.. when paul said this, did he ask us to imitate his preach activities?
it is not a new verse that starts anew, but a verse that ends the previous chapter, so what paul says to imitate is shown in the previous chapter.
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pokertopia
What will you then say when Jesus stated come be my follower or when Peter stated follow the step of Jesus Christ closely?
Become imitator of Paul as he too imitates Jesus Christ. The Watchtower will conveniently avoid all other ministry to market their selling point which is preaching based on figures that don't go beyond hours spent
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Does the Governing Body already know that Jehovah (the name) came from Babylon the Great?
by Chevelle ini'll start by stating the obvious... according to the watchtower, the catholic church is a huge part of babylon the great which is led by satan and his demons.
raymundus martini, a catholic monk (who "represents" babylon the great to some extent), woke up one day in the 13th century and decided to alter yhwh so it can be easily pronounced.
hence the spanish-ish version of yhwh was created... jehova... (sounds something like this in spanish: heh-o-va).
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@ Rattigan
It matters because most of what Jehovah’s witnesses hail to the high heaven as good and proper for worship originate from the same source they term demonic and devilish meant to be ruined based on Jehovah’s wrath 😂😂😂
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Meaning of Elder from the horses mouth as contrasted with Clergy
by Longlivetherenegades inmeaning of as captured in one of their publications.... .
elder: a spiritually mature male witness appointed to teach and to provide pastoral care for the well-being of congregation members.
an elder must meet the scriptural qualifications as outlined at 1 timothy 3:1-7; titus 1:5-9; james 3:17, 18; and 1 peter 5:2.. elders are not paid ministers and are not employees of their respective congregation or any corporation associated with jehovah’s witnesses.
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Brother Tom(standing on the platform) : All elders are to wait behind after the meetings of today.
Me: You bet 100% brother Jerry an ordinary publisher will not wait behind. The question becomes how come those who wait behind like brother Jackson know he is expected to wait behind.
Answer: Simple, brother Jackson knows the designation or title as it were is attached to his name that will be his reason for waiting behind.