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  Any of you oldies out there remember me??????

  by BLISSISIGNORANCE in

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  i know it's been ages, busy living i guess.

  but i thought i'ld drop in and say hello.. i sometimes read posts and ask misspeaches what's going on.

  as i'm having the day off work today i decided to take the time to post a big 'hello ' to all my old friends on the forum, and also to the new members here.. nothing much has changed for me and my family.

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  BLISSISIGNORANCE

  I do remember you but now I have seen you in uniformyou are burned into my memory. Good to see you around again.
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  Zerubbabel's Temple

  by myelaine in

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  you therefore, son of man, prophesy, and strike your hands together.

  the third time let the sword do double damage.

  it is the sword that slays, the sword that slays the great men, that enters their private chambers.

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  And you must not take up myelaine in vain is the utterance of the hoard. For whatever she herself speaks, with her own mouth, shall become many nations. And they will be gathered together to the place that is called in Hebrew Ah-my-god-no for it is due to her utterances that the people have become wise although they were once foolish. Many have proved to be culpable but you have descended beneath them all.

  She is to become great among women and by means of her shall come to pass that which I have sworn and it cannot become undone. For the fact that you have not held back from declaring your excellences through out the board.

  Gird up your loins for there are days coming when people will go up to her and they will not be abashed for what is written will become a fiery furnace and devour those who do not get the sense of it.
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  TRUE CHRISTIANS must imitate JESUS the "apostate"

  by Terry in

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  a simple premise for your consideration .

  is a christian required to be a footstep follower of jesus?.

  are true christians required to imitate jesus' behavior and state of mind as closely as humanly possible?.

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  IF JESUS COULD QUESTION and DEBATE with the authorities set in place by JEHOVAH; why shouldn't a follower of Jesus imitate his behavior and attitude today?

  The Jewish religious leaders of his day were afraid of that their adherents would follow him as he was undermining their authority. It is well to remember that Jesus was handed over to the Romans by these religious leaders as a criminal and crucified.

  He did not get away with challenging their authority. This pattern has continued throughout the history of the Christian church with many heretics being burnt at the stake or tortured to death on the charge of blasphemy or apostasy.

  The Watchtower Society policy of shunning seems rather toothless by comparison.
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  I want a Bible

  by PrimateDave in

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  i want a bible that hasn't been written by or for 'apologists'.

  i want a bible written in english that correctly translates 'yhwh' as 'yahve' or 'yahweh' and 'elohim' as 'gods' instead of 'god'.

  a recent bit of study has shown that many modern english bibles commit pious fraud by translating words like 'asherah'(idol used in sex worship by the patriarchs) as 'grove' or 'tree' in order to cover up the true roots of ancient 'hebrew' worship.

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  PrimateDave

  Why not write your own translation of the bible that suits your needs - everybody else has.
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  Shocking Announcement: Society feels Armaggedon coming this year?

  by truthseeker in

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  a rumor alert indeed, but it could be related to the distribution of kingdom news no.37, "false religions end is near.".

  the following is posted from e-watchman's forum.. make of it what you will, but in light of all the rhetoric about "deliverance at hand" and "independent thinking", nothing would surprise me anymore.. http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1502&st=0 we posted about an announcement it was only local to our cong.

  however we have found out that there is going to be an announcement sometime in september and it is supposed to be shocking.

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  I just scrolled through that long post and now I feel travel sick.

  I didn't realize we were allowed to post whole books into threads.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses paid me a visit this morning. {the new Tract}

  by SixofNine in

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  on another discussion board, the following was posted with the title i used here.

  thought i'd share (be sure to check out the last paragraph, which is the guy's "take" on the jw message.

  i didn't actually speak to them, because i was still in bed, but their presence certainly sent my dog barking like crazy.

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  Santa Clause is coming - So be good for goodness sake
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  The Bible. Despite many reasons to dismiss it why do so many believe?

  by nicolaou in

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  a man cannot walk on water, truly dead people do not come back to life and 1 + 1 will never equal 3. these are just a few of the absurd impossibilities that one must swallow and accept in order to 'believe' the bible.. why does the belief that the bible is 'truth' persist?.

  men cannot survive a fiery furnace unscathed, the sun cannot stand still in the sky and donkeys cannot speak hebrew.

  unless you believe the bible.

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  For most of his existence, man has not really understood the world he lives in and been unable to negotiate with reality in terms that make sense. Religion has gained control of people by claming to be able to explain reality - that is an invisible reality that cannot be understood without holy books such as the Bible. People now days have access to facts about the nature of our world and universe that did not exist before.

  This enables people to be more objective in deciding what they accept. The problem is that without belief we come face to face with the stark possibility that we as humans are responsible for our world and its future. The awesome responsibility of that is too much for many to bear and belief allows them to pass that responsibility onto an invisible being who can perform miracles. This enables people to live their short lives, safe in the belief that all will be well and they don’t have to worry.

  This is why people choose to believe the Bible. The world may advance more quickly if it people were more objective but a world without belief in a miracle worker who will one day save us, could prove to be too much for many people.

  Little toe has helped me to mellow. I used to think that people had to believe the whole Bible or reject it all. Now I have learned to view the Bible like a bar. You don’t have to like or drink everything in the place. You just find something you like and concentrate on that. What other people choose is up to them.
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  Mortality

  by spawn2u in

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  i have two children, one daughter 18 months and a son 7 years old.

  since the day my son was born i started fearing death.

  i love my life and do not want to ever die, that is carry over from brainwashing.

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  1. I hate the thought of watching my children die or suffer and die.

  2. I hate the thought that my children would be left in a hostile world.

  Spawn2u - are you aware of the implications of the words you use - ‘I hate the thought?’

  It is thought that cause fear and pain. Thoughts about the future and what might happen which you come to hate.

  Negative thoughts about the future can destroy what you have now. No one knows what tomorrow holds and it takes a mental discipline to Concentrate on the present and what you have with your children right now. This is the only true reality that exists.

  Do not allow your mind to play it’s tricks on you and rob you and your family of the happiness that you can have right now. If you are full absorbed in what you are doing with family there will not be room for gloomy thoughts.
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  Anyone Here Do Any Stock Market Investing?

  by BlackPearl in

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  not sure if this is the right forum for this, but....anyone want share any recent stock purchase?

  if you own stock, please make an argument as to why you purchased it.

  this is my hobbie, i look for undervalued companies to buy and wait for wall street to recognize it's true value (anyone heard of warren buffett?

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  Right now with the volatility in share prices it is best to concentrate on big stable companies that will never go bust and can see out a downturn.

  I have heaved some money into BP the oil company. I have sold bank stocks because of rising interest rates and national debt levels coupled with too much on loans for houses. Commodities look good in the long term due to the growing need in Asia for supplies.

  As they say - never invest what you can not afford to lose or money that you may need in the short term.
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  How many times does "Jehovah" spuriously appear in the NT?

  by AuldSoul in

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  we've all heard it, i'm sure.

  "well, the nwt has restored the name jehovah where it should have been to start with.

  " ever wanted to slap that smugness with an unarguable fact?

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  The Name Over Every Name

  In keeping with the Watchtower Society’s belief that Jehovah is the name to call on for salvation, they have inserted this name at every opportunity. They claim that all Bibles should bear this name as frequently, but other translators have tried to hide the name. They claim that they alone are upholding the divine name.

  On closer examination a different picture emerges. The foreword of their Bible explains that the divine name appears many times in the Hebrew Scriptures, but fails to appear in the Greek text. It has been replaced with “Kyri,os” meaning Lord and “The.os” meaning God. They claim they have been authorised to restore the divine name.

  If we accept this explanation, though other scholars disagree with this assumption, we must ask how the Society knows where to replace, for example, the word Lord with Jehovah? They say they do this by always using the name Jehovah when the Greek scripture appears to be a quotation from a Hebrew scripture where the divine name was used. This at first seems reasonable but they have been overzealous and not stuck to this rule.

  The original translators were aware that “The Lord” throughout the New Testament referred to Jesus, the exception being where the term “The Lord God” was used. In many instances where the context of the chapter being read makes it clear beyond question that “The Lord” is a reference to Jesus, the Watchtower Society have substituted the word Jehovah. This has made it possible to produce a Bible, which shifts the emphasis away from Jesus as Lord and places the name Jehovah in this position. From the many instances of this I have selected just a few to show how this has been done:

  “ If on your lips is the confession, ‘Jesus is Lord’ and in your heart the faith that God raised him from the dead, then you will find salvation. …Scripture says ‘Everyone who had faith in him will be saved from shame’ - everyone: there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, because the Lord is Lord of all, and is rich enough for the need of all who invoke him. For everyone, as it says again - Everyone who invokes the name of the Lord will be saved.” (Romans 10:9-13 – NE)

  “For if you publicly declare that ‘Word in your own mouth,’ that ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved…For the scripture says: “ None that rests his faith on him will be disappointed.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for there is the same Lord over all, who is rich to all those calling upon him. For everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” (Romans 10:9-13 – NWT)

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  “If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. Whether therefore we live or die, we belong to the Lord. This is why Christ died and came to life again, to establish his Lordship over dead and living.” (Romans 14:8,9 – NE)

  “…for both if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. Therefore both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah. For to this end Christ died and came to life again, that he might be Lord over both the dead and the living.” (Romans 14:8,9 – NWT)

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  “My judge is the Lord. So pass no premature judgment; wait until the Lord comes.” (1 Corinthians 4:4,5 – NE)

  “…he that examines me is Jehovah. Hence we do not judge anything before the due time, until the Lord comes.” (1 Corinthians 4:4,5 – NWT)

  In the verse below the name “Jehovah” is used again. Throughout this chapter the Apostle Paul is talking of the Lord’s evening meal. He quotes the words of Jesus and refers to him as Lord Jesus. In the preceding eight verses Jesus is referred to as Lord five times. Why is the Lord rendered as Jehovah in verse 32? Reading any other Bible the whole chapter makes sense and the idea of adding the divine name is deliberately misleading.

  “However when we are judged we are disciplined by Jehovah.” (1 Corinthians 11:32 – NWT

  To the Israelites, which included Jews, the Lord was Jehovah. They were still looking to him for salvation through the law covenant. Paul was trying to show them that the Lord was now addressed by the name Jesus. This was The Sacred Secret. Until then Israelites believed that they could gain salvation by calling on Jehovah. The Christian belief was that now both Jews and Greeks, in fact “everyone” who calls on the name of Jesus could be saved. The Witnesses have stumbled on this. They say they recognize Jesus as Lord, but where the word Lord appears in the Bible, wherever possible they change it for the name Jehovah. This was the mistake the Jews were making at the very time. Talking of Israel’s lack of faith in Jesus, Paul went on to say:

  “They stumbled over the ‘stumbling stone’ mentioned in scripture: here I am laying in Zion a stumbling stone a rock to trip them up; but he who has faith in him will not be put to shame.” (Romans 9:32,33 – NE)

  The Witnesses have stumbled on this. The Witnesses believe that Jesus is the rock mass but fail to realize that they are partially rejecting him. Paul says that it is faith in Jesus’ name that is the requirement for Christians. The Witnesses say works of faith in Jehovah’s name are needed. It is this issue that separates the Jehovah’s Witnesses from all other Christian sects. It is their claim that this further proves that they alone are the only true Christian movement on earth today. The following scripture, though obviously not written with Witnesses in mind, does sum up their position.

  “Brothers, my deepest desire and my prayer to God is for their salvation. To their zeal for God I can testify; but it is an ill-informed zeal. For they ignore God’s way of righteousness, and try to set up their own, and therefore they have not submitted themselves to God’s righteousness. For Christ ends the law and brings righteousness for everyone who has faith.” (Romans 10: 1-3 - NE)

  The Witnesses have been led to believe that belonging to a Society, which claims to be Israel restored - a new nation, is the way to righteousness, that calling on the name of Jehovah, just as the original nation did, is the way to salvation. They can show this in their Bible. Can they show it in any other bible?

  Taken from the book -Opening the Door to Jehovah’s Witnesses By Trevor Willis