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  old, somewhere to go, proud, and fearless

  by messenger in

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  i have done some really bad things that involve kittens and ducks but i do not want to tell you my story, unless you ask, then i will have to refuse.

  while i need help and consolation, i hate everyone on this board and will attack anyone that replies to this topic.

  please do not try to help me or i will kill myself and it will be your fault.. love,.

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  trevor

  Straighten yourself out Messenger,

  Or I will inflict you with a poem too. No one gets away
  whinging while I'm around.
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  Why some stays inside the JW

  by beroea in

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  i was posting a little on the old h2o but have taking a break before going to this new room only watching for a while.

  im still an active jw and elder here in europe - a long way from you in the usa and also another culture even inside the jw.

  i think we in europe as jws are thinking a little different from the jws in the u.s. we dont put religious authorities as high as i think you do.

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  trevor

  Beroea,

  You state that: 'I think we in Europe as JWs are thinking a little different
  from the JWs in the U.S. We don’t put religious authorities as high as I think you do.
  This means we try to follow our own common sense.'

  It is the experience of most of us here that sense is
  by-no-means common among Jehovah's Witnesses,
  particularly Elders. To remain a Witness it is neccessary
  to abandon all rational thought and blindly follow the leaders.
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  new, nowhere to turn, ashamed & afraid

  by azzazel in

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  hullo everybody i'm new here, even though i've been lurking now for several months.. i have to say how afraid i am to post, afraid and ashamed but i feel if i dont tell my story, i honestly dont know what may happen to me or my children if they lose me, right now i feel like i've got nowhere left to turn and have my doubts about this place as well.. i know my story will shock you but i cant keep it in any longer.

  i am recently disfellowshipped for immorality, the subject of a kingdom hall witch -hunt and subsequent congregational humiliation, .

  during the process of the judicial committee meetings and proceedings no consideration was given to my real human circumstances nor to the spirit of survival nor human nature nor that of a mother seeking to protect her children from lack of basic fundamentals such as food, shelter and clothing.

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  trevor

  Yes Larc,
  I agree - there is a strong smell of fish in the air!
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  Does God Play Fair?

  by messenger in

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  does god play fair?.

  once upon a time a mother bought her son a checker game.

  little johnny was so proud to have something so shiny and new.

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  trevor

  Yeah messenger,

  I agree with your concusion. The God portrayed in the Bible has
  been made in the image of man. Petty, vengeful, jealous, power-hungry,
  bloodthirsty,imperfect and errrrrrrrrrr.....

  I think we have all moved on since those ancient writers tried to
  explain God in terms that they could understand.
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  A Message of Hope

  by 7robert7 in

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  it's been a long time since i've visited this site.

  the last time that i was here i was not allowed to participate in this forums discussions for as it was explained to me, "you dont share in our beliefs, therefore your comments, ideas, and expressions would cause conflict, and disunity among those of us who do share in the truth.

  " the day i recieved the denial, i broke down in tears and prayed that jesus christ would bring down the walls of hatred and mistrust among those here and that he would allow me the blessed opportunity to some day share the joy that i have found in him.

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  trevor

  Robert,

  Why are you so certain that Jesus hears or answers prayers?

  With two thirds of the worlds people going to bed hungry,
  that is those that have beds, he need to update his communication
  system. The Witnesses are all well fed and so are we, so why would
  he waste time on any of us. There are more urgent problems to sort
  out.

  Of course it could just be that its up to us humans to sort out
  the problems on our planet. I see no evidence that Jesus has lifted
  a finger to help, ever, in the history of the world. It took him many
  thousands of years just to turn up and then he spent thirty years a
  playing with bits of wood. I'm afraid he won't get my vote.
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  uh oh

  by Esmeralda in

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  ...my husband just got laid off, again.

  the big job the company had been promised fell through.. this is the second time in three months, but this time they said that the company will most likely.

  fold within weeks.

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  trevor

  OK Ubdjudge,

  I shall never view my navel in the same way again.

  Could you put my mind at rest - Why do men have nipples?
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  JW Decline

  by larc in

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  i found some interesting statistics, some of which you may know, that indicate that the wtbts is in decline.. 1. in the twenty years from 1970 to 1990, the rate of yearly increase dropped from 10% to 6%.

  in the last 10 years it has dropped from 6% to about 2%.

  since the world population growth is about 1.5% they are only growing at about 1/2 of 1% faster than the population.. 2. in 1999, there were 21 large countries that showed a decline.

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  trevor

  Thanks for renewing this topic Larc,

  I would like to think that the Tower is in terminal decline but I
  think they are too well established and experienced to fade away.
  As the very old guard at the top die off, changes will be made
  which make the religion more user friendly.They are so big now that
  they don't have to sell their literature to outsiders they have a huge
  captive audience.

  The young will welcome the changes and more people will join. Don't
  forget the huge growth in developing countries which will continue.
  They have already shown that the majority will accept any changes
  or control rather than face the pain of leaving. There will always be
  those with the fickle herd mentality who will hang on in there.
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  new, nowhere to turn, ashamed & afraid

  by azzazel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hullo everybody i'm new here, even though i've been lurking now for several months.. i have to say how afraid i am to post, afraid and ashamed but i feel if i dont tell my story, i honestly dont know what may happen to me or my children if they lose me, right now i feel like i've got nowhere left to turn and have my doubts about this place as well.. i know my story will shock you but i cant keep it in any longer.

  i am recently disfellowshipped for immorality, the subject of a kingdom hall witch -hunt and subsequent congregational humiliation, .

  during the process of the judicial committee meetings and proceedings no consideration was given to my real human circumstances nor to the spirit of survival nor human nature nor that of a mother seeking to protect her children from lack of basic fundamentals such as food, shelter and clothing.

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  Big Jim - you said,

  'WE ARE ALL GOING TO DO BETTER TOMOROW !
  AND WE WOULD TO, IF WE ONLY STARTED TODAY'

  That is just about the truest statement I have ever heard.
  It is the total key to moving forward and getting on with life.
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  new, nowhere to turn, ashamed & afraid

  by azzazel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hullo everybody i'm new here, even though i've been lurking now for several months.. i have to say how afraid i am to post, afraid and ashamed but i feel if i dont tell my story, i honestly dont know what may happen to me or my children if they lose me, right now i feel like i've got nowhere left to turn and have my doubts about this place as well.. i know my story will shock you but i cant keep it in any longer.

  i am recently disfellowshipped for immorality, the subject of a kingdom hall witch -hunt and subsequent congregational humiliation, .

  during the process of the judicial committee meetings and proceedings no consideration was given to my real human circumstances nor to the spirit of survival nor human nature nor that of a mother seeking to protect her children from lack of basic fundamentals such as food, shelter and clothing.

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  trevor

  Azzazel,

  You assume that what people choose to show on this board is all
  that there is too them and that you know their personalities by
  their postings. You talk of people being afraid to face the darkness
  in themselves. Like others here I too choose what I post and conceal
  that which I feel others may not understand. We all have our reasons
  for the way we act but I don't see it as darkness rather part of a journey
  in experience and understanding. I believe that we have the right to
  make mistakes and fall down. We also have to take responsibility for
  what we do and move on. The only person we need to square what we
  have done with is ourselves.

  I have helped hundreds of people like you to stop judging themselves and
  other people, when I was a therapist.The most fundemental quality of a therapist
  is that they do not judge others. You can judge a book by it's cover but people
  are different they can present themselves in the cover of their choice, and covers
  hide a lot. I understand because I too have lived through what you would call
  darkness. Why do think I became a psychotherapist?
  
  I hope you make some good friends and cope with the difficult time you are
  Going through. Life does move on.

  One of my favourite poems - I have changed the 'he' to 'her' so it makes
  more sense to you:

  JUDGE NOT

  Judge not; the workings of her brain
  And of her heart thou canst see;
  What looks to thou dim eyes a stain,
  In God's pure light may only be
  A scar, brought from some well won field,
  Where thou would only faint and yield.

  The look, the air that frets thy sight,
  May be a token, that below
  The soul has closed in deadly fight
  With some infernal fiery foe,
  Whose glance would scorch thy smiling grace,
  And cast thee shuddering on thy face!

  The fall thou darest to despise-
  May be the angel's slackened hand
  Has suffered it that she may rise
  And take a firmer, surer stand;
  Or, trusting less to earthly things,
  May henceforth learn to use her wings.

  And judge none lost; but wait, and see,
  With hopeful pity, not distain;
  The depth of the abyss may be
  The measure of the height of pain
  And love and glory that may rise
  This soul to God in after days!

  A Procter (A Female poet 19th century)
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  "The truth? You can't handle the truth!!&q...

  by Introspection in

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  i just wanted to point out that questioning every belief one has always held can be very unsettling psychologically speaking.

  i wasn't even raised to be a jw so i can only imagine the depth of the indoctrination for those who were.

  please remember that too much too soon may not be a good thing, in fact it usually isn't.

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  trevor

  Introspection,

  I too like the thread title, I first heard it in the film 'A Few Good Men'
  With Jack NIcholson & Tom Cruise. It struck me at the time as a slogan
  that summed up those in the WT club.