Posts by trevor

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What must I do to be saved?

by StinkyPantz in

first of all, i am agnostic.

maybe there's a god, maybe not.

so i wonder, do i actually have to believe in god in order to be saved?

trevor

In these difficult times the only relatively safe way to be saved is to place oneself in a deposit account with a large bank. You will attract a low rate of interest but enjoy a measure of security.

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Does every verse of Isaiah apply to today?

by Far North in

last night at the book study they spent an entire hour covering 11 verses in the book of isaiah.

using pictures and scriptures from all over the bible every verse has a lesson for us today.

is this really true or is it just talented writing?

trevor

Who the hell is Isaiah?

I haven't worked out who Bush is yet!

3

The Society & the Witness

by trevor in

the time has come the witness said, .

to talk of many things: .

of time and truth and old truths - .

trevor

Well spotted Blondie,

Thanks for reminding me where my insanity came from! Was Lewis Carroll clever or mad? Is there a difference? Must be off, I've got some 'brilling' to do.

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The Society & the Witness

by trevor in

the time has come the witness said, .

to talk of many things: .

of time and truth and old truths - .

trevor

The Society and the Witness

The time has come the Witness said,

To talk of many things:

Of time and truth and old truths -

Of false prophecies and kings -

And why Armageddons still not here -

And whether dates have wings.

The Witness and the Society

Walked on a mile or so,

And then rested on a Bible

Conveniently their own:

And all the other Witnesses stood

And waited in a row.

But four young Brothers hurried up.

All eager for the treat:

Their coats were brushed,

Their shoes were clean and neat

And this was odd, because, you know,

It wasnt time to meet.

But wait a bit, the members cried

Before we have our chat;

For some of us are out of breath,

And not sure we believe all that!

No choice! The Society said.

They thanked them very much for that.

If seven Elders with seven pens,

Wrote for half a year,

Do you suppose, the Witness said,

That we could get it clear?

I doubt it, the Society said,

And shed a bitter tear.

A new date, the Society said,

Is what we chiefly need:

Books and magazines besides

Are very good indeed

Now if youre ready, Brothers dear,

We can begin to read.

It seems a shame, the Witness said,

To play the members such a trick

After weve brought them out so far,

And made them trot so quick!

The Society said nothing but

Well use a bigger stick!

The Society looked at him,

But never a word they said:

The Witness wiped his eye,

And shook his heavy head-

Meaning to say he did not choose

To go where they now led.

I weep for you, the Witness said:

I deeply sympathise.

With sobs and tears he sorted out

Books of the largest size,

Holding his Watchtower

Before his streaming eyes.

O Brothers, the Society said,

Youve had a pleasant run!

Shall we be trotting to the Hall again?

But answers came there none

And this was scarcely odd, because

They no longer found it fun.

Trevor Willis

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forgiveness?

by SPAZnik in

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friends

let's play "what if".... even if they *changed their ways*.... openly apologized.... and implemented drastic new policies.... would you go back?.

or are you "once stung, twice shy"?.

spaz

trevor

No because:

I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

Be seeing you.

The Prisoner

Edited by - trevor on 7 November 2002 9:41:38

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not my usual post - but can any of you reference any material for me that highlights 597 bce a relevant date, rather than 607 bce.. an old friend phoned this morning (who is a jw still) and wanted to know about alternate chronology, aside from what the wts teach.. any info' appreciated !.

cheers

trevor

One of the most important dates upon which the Watchtower Society build their own dating system is 607 B.C.E. This is the date that Pastor Russell originally claimed Jerusalem was destroyed. The Society has never changed their mind on the accuracy of this inherited date.

It is by counting from 607 B.C.E. as the beginning of the Gentile times that they arrive at 1914. They calculate the reference in Daniel 4:16 of seven times to be seven lots of 360, the number of days in a Jewish year. This comes to 2,520 years. Counting from 607 B.C.E. the date 1914 is arrived at. If 607 B.C.E. is not the starting point, then the date 1914 is of no significance.

All other important dates in which the Society claims to have featured as a fulfilment of prophecy are calculated by working from 1914. The three and a half years are added to arrive at 1918, when they say the spirit of God entered into them and revived their work, appointing them as the faithful and discreet slave. This was also the year the chosen ones were resurrected to heaven.

We could just take the Society's word for it that Jerusalem fell in 607 B.C.E. Then again, given their record with dates, I think it would be sensible to check. Listed below are a few of the numerous references to Jerusalems fall:

The final destruction of the city (Jerusalem) was in 586 B.C.E. (Light From the Ancient Past Jack Finnegan Page 223)

Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Jerusalem in 586 B.C.E. (The Encyclopaedia Americana Volume 16 Page 31)

Finally, in the year 586 B.C.E. Jerusalem itself was taken.(The Story of Ancient Nations W.L. Westerman Page 69)

On the 7th day of the fifth month 586 B.C.E. Jerusalem was destroyed.(Encyclopaedia Britannica Volume 15 Pages 383)

Jerusalem fell in 586 B.C.E. (Yale Oriental Series Researches Vol. XV)

In July 586 B.C.Ea breach was made in the wall of Jerusalem. (History of the Hebrews F.K. Saunders)

Any encyclopaedia can be checked for further confirmation.

As it is clear that the real date for Jerusalems fall is 586 B.C.E. and not 607 B.C.E., all the other important Watchtower dates are without foundation. A rumour of this nature existed when I was a Witness and I had been to the library and checked every reference book available and confirmed that this was one more false date to add to the list.

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Do you care that you offend JW's?

by wholewheat in

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this is a sincere question.

do you worry about offending active witnesses?

trevor

The JW's own Bible states that 'The taking of offence rests in the bosom of the stupid one.' For them to take offence would be an own goal according to their reckoning.

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If all people were JWs, who'd commit crimes??

by Bona Dea in

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i didn't know where else to post this or whether or not this had already been posted.

this was so outrageous, i couldn't pass it up.

wt aug 15 02, back of mag, article: "do you know why i'm returning your money?":.

trevor

Eh! Being a Jehovah's Witness is a crime.

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'Live Forever'-Books Not Available!

by GermanXJW in

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on the back of awake!

of august 8th, 2002 there is the story of a woman that finds the 'live forever'-book in the cellar of a church.. they say, the 'live forever'-book is no longer available but you can get the brochures "what's the purpose of life?

" and "does god really care?"..

trevor

The last time I asked a JW to prove he could live forever, he just stood there staring into space. After a while I said, go on then, you said you were going to prove you could live forever. He continued to stare into space and said, 'I'm going as fast as I can.'

trevor

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Need lots of advice on investing a couple grand

by Cappuccino OC in

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friends

the grand is not mine but my mothers.

she just went through a nasty divorce.

she left her df pedophile husband.

trevor

Cappuccino OC

Put the money in an interest paying deposit account for the next 6 month while you look into the matter. Right now is not the time to be making any kind of investment. The opportunities will be there next year.