Yes, the misquoting, or lack of references with quotes, bothers me alot. I've just started noticing it. I wonder what the Society would say if someone wrote a letter to them, with evidence of the misquotes, and respectfully asked for an explanation for this? And also asked why they are reading and quoting from information they tell us is dangerous wisdom of this world? I just don't understand this at all. I'd like to write and ask them this. I wonder what would happen.
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The dishonesty of a JW poster
by Seeker inin the "what's wrong w/jw's" thread, godrules is trying to defend the wts.
when godrules asked for "facts" that show jws are wrong, among the respondants was alanf.
alanf linked to his essay showing the dishonest way the creation book quotes evolutionists.
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higher education
by tigerlily infirst post.. i am in college studying engineering.
does anyone else here in college feel like they have to work twice as hard as everyone else in the cong.
to avoid the assumption that higher ed.
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Hi Tigerlily,
I too am going to college. At age 37, I have about 2 years in so far. Now that the Society has softened their view on college somewhat, I see lots of Witnesses going (both young ones and older ones).
I've not had anyone say negative things to me about going (at least not to my face). What disturbs me, though, is that when the Society strongly discouraged JWs from going to college, hardly anyone went. (And those that did were somewhat frowned on. I know personally of a JW family where each child (5 of them) went to college. It was looked down on at the time, and I remember people talking disapprovingly behind their backs. Now, they are all either elders, COs, pioneers, or serving at Bethel. And everyone thinks they're great.)
What's disturbing to me is that, in matters where there are scriptural principles (seek the Kingdom first;avoid worldly thinking), we look to the Society to give us SPECIFIC rules, and then we do what they say. In other words, can we go to college or not? And depending on the answer, we do that.
It makes it look like we are following men, I think.
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Need More Info
by troubled indoes anyone know where i can find more info on the mexico political card scandal?
the society's involvement with the regi company?
anywhere else besides the "watching the watchtower" website?.
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Does anyone know where I can find more info on the Mexico political card scandal? The Society's involvement with the Regi company? Anywhere else besides the "Watching the Watchtower" website?
I'm trying to find out to what extent, if any, the organization is currently involved in politics/military and/or economic dishonesty.
If you have any info, let me know. Thanks!
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How Many IN, OUT, etc.
by troubled ini'm wondering how many here are "active jws," "inactive jws," "x-jws," or "never jws.".
i don't mean to be nosy.
i'm just wondering how many are in a situation like mine (still in, but struggling).
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I mean the designations by each person's name:
Jedi member, Newbie, Emperor class, etc.
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How Many IN, OUT, etc.
by troubled ini'm wondering how many here are "active jws," "inactive jws," "x-jws," or "never jws.".
i don't mean to be nosy.
i'm just wondering how many are in a situation like mine (still in, but struggling).
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No, I don't mind. Where is the poll at? In the same place with our postings or somewhere else?
p.s. Why are there different kinds of "members" in the postings? Is it based on how many times you've posted, or something else?
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How Many IN, OUT, etc.
by troubled ini'm wondering how many here are "active jws," "inactive jws," "x-jws," or "never jws.".
i don't mean to be nosy.
i'm just wondering how many are in a situation like mine (still in, but struggling).
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I'm wondering how many here are "active JWs," "inactive JWs," "X-JWs," or "never JWs."
I don't mean to be nosy. I'm just wondering how many are in a situation like mine (still in, but struggling).
Also, if you are an "X-JW," how long have you been out? How long did you have serious "struggles/doubts" before leaving, and do you feel happier now, less happy, or about the same level of happiness since leaving?
If you don't mind telling me, I'd really like to know.
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A Message for You Know
by troubled ini read your message, as well as the messages from the others.
i will give all of the comments i received thoughtful and prayerful consideration.
including yours.. however, i think maybe you didn't read my postings carefully enough before responding.
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I checked today, but no answer from You Know. I appreciate the other responses. Do you have an explanation and/or answer to my earlier question?
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What's a Borg? I keep seeing that word and have never heard it before
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Readable Copies of WTS Financial Statements, Etc.
by troubled ini'm just wondering,.
i've read some allegations that the watchtower society mismanages funds and has covered up financial information, etc.
are there any actual copies of wts financial statements, showing mismanagement of money?
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I'm just wondering,
I've read some allegations that the Watchtower Society mismanages funds and has covered up financial information, etc. Are there any actual copies of WTS financial statements, showing mismanagement of money? Or are there any actual copies of documented forms or letters that prove their involvement with politics? etc.?
I've seen a couple of scanned documents on a different website (Watchtower observer, I think). But the scans are so small, I can't make out the writing. And when I print anything from that site, the words on the right side of the page get cut off.
I'm not trying to be suspicious of the Society, or be doubtful of those making allegations. I just want to see what documented evidence is out there.
Does anyone have more readable copies of the original documents? Or know where they can be found?
(I feel so GUILTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) It's an awful feeling . . .
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A Message for You Know
by troubled ini read your message, as well as the messages from the others.
i will give all of the comments i received thoughtful and prayerful consideration.
including yours.. however, i think maybe you didn't read my postings carefully enough before responding.
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To You Know,
I read your message, as well as the messages from the others. I will give all of the comments I received thoughtful and prayerful consideration. Including yours.
However, I think maybe you didn't read my postings carefully enough before responding. I DID use Jehovah's name in them. See the posting "So Confused," 5th paragraph from the end. See "Suicide," 3rd paragraph from the beginning.)
Maybe my relationship with Jehovah does need work. I have to be humble and admit this. I also admit that right now, I don't have the answer to my situation. Also, if I am doing the wrong thing by posting here (listening to "apostates"), I will suffer the consequences.
But on the other hand, don't the scriptures encourage us to be like the Boreans, to make sure that what we are told is "really so?" We encourage our Bible students to do this. I feel that's what I'm doing (weighing all sides of an issue). Is that wrong?
What I don't understand is this: On one hand, we are told to do research, make sure what we believe, etc. Yet after we get baptised, if a doubt or question comes up, we really AREN'T allowed to weigh all sides.
What I mean is, we can go to the Society's literature and look for an answer. But reading anything else is wrong. And talking about our doubts is bad. Any view different from the Society is "apostasy". I'm having trouble understanding this.
Also, I notice the governing body sometimes quotes from other religious leaders and their publications in the Awake and Watchtower. Granted, they do so in order to show where they are wrong.
But here's what I don't understand: in order to quote from false religious stuff, the governing body must be reading it, right? Isn't that wrong too? Why do they read it and decide what parts to tell me, but if I read it, I'm going apostate?
If you could answer this, with scriptural explanations, it would really help alot. As I said, I'm confused and want to understand. Really I do.