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the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
edmund burke
JT:
You said,
"Perhaps not you, but Out of (6-15+ million perhaps) folks who are JW either Active or inactive I'm sure with the right WT articles and "Scriptual" support you could indeed find at least 19 folks who would"
By the same token, such is also the case if you took 6-15+ million random folks, now isn't it? So it's a mute point.
What a waste of a thread.
This is mainly an ex-JW website (ratio of ex to inactive JW probably 20:1)(ratio of ex to active JW probably 30:1). (Not mathematically correct; just my guess).
Most posters are here to expose the negative things the Society has done, to gain support from other ex-JWs, and to assist currently unhappy JWs who want to leave the organization.
A small number of JWs post here. They usually do not post long, as they soon realize they are far outnumbered by ex-JWs and any opinion that sounds pro-JW precipitates an onslaught of personal attacks by some. That's why I rarely post.
I know of only two constant posters who claim to be active, pro-JWs: "Fred Hall" and "You Know". However, I've read numerous posts by them, and neither sounds much like a JW. Particularly Fred.
If you are a current JW with doubts, questions, or seeking information, be prepared for a great deal of negative JW information. Some of it is true and referenced; some is exaggerated or false.
If you want to avoid attacks or being pulled into fruitless arguments, look for those who can respond to your posts in a reasonable, nonattacking way (ones like Seeker, Larc, and Prisca come to mind).
If you are an ex-JW or unhappy current JW, you will probably receive a warm welcome, though even ex-JWs sometimes attack one another vehemently.
There's some truthful info here, but the atmosphere is harsh, driving many sensitive, peace-loving people away.
Just my 2 cents worth.
i do have two new return visits but they are not from field service.. my womens club went to a local nursing home today.
we brought the elderly gifts, we sang songs with them, and we brought our pets, and listened to them.
they were so happy to see us and share some of their lifes experiences with us.. it was different to go to a nursing home with no ulterior motives like pushing jw literature.. it felt right to just give them what they wanted most.
Hi All,
I agree that, in general, JWs do not perform community work other than the field ministry. However, that is not true of all JWs. For example, one of my JW friends is participating in this Sunday's "Race for a Cure" walk for breast cancer awareness. No JW strings there...
since the topic came up on another thread, let's give it a go of it's own.
what experiences have you had with exit counselling?
have you tried to counsel others?
Dungbeetle,
I find your comment interesting:
"I can never stress enough - NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER say anything bad about the religion you are trying to get someone out of."
Oh, you mean like your reply to my post in the thread "Watchtower Exploitation Begins?" where you say:
"Yeah you JW's just DO that...
jehovah's witnesses have been practicing psychological terrorism for close on to 122 years...JW's had BETTER go door to door with a 'message of hope and comfort'...WT owes the world a debt that can never be repaid as far as I'm concerned.
jehovah' witnesses have been responsible for the deaths of more people than the Branch Davidians and People's Temple...JW's had BETTER go door to door with a 'message of hope and comfort'. It's the least you can do ...finally!!"
I found your comments to my post offensive and hateful. Maybe you need to work on your "people skills."
i'm interested in finding out what everyone is reading these days.. or what books have had an impact on your worldview since leaving the org.. what have you found helpful in re-constructing and broadening the way you think and feel?.
what have you found to be particularly enlightening on 'your journey?'.
thanks in advance,luv to all.tina.
And I'm starting on a daily reading of the Bible from start to finish.
i'm interested in finding out what everyone is reading these days.. or what books have had an impact on your worldview since leaving the org.. what have you found helpful in re-constructing and broadening the way you think and feel?.
what have you found to be particularly enlightening on 'your journey?'.
thanks in advance,luv to all.tina.
Books I've recently (or am now reading):
The Professor and the Madman
Gift of the Sea
Tuesdays with Morrie
The Dance of Anger
Social Psychology (Unraveling the Mystery)
Memoirs of Cleopatra
7 Habits of Highly Effective People
Imagining Robert
Out of Africa
Iman: the story of a Somali Girl
brothers and sisters, let's rise now and join in the singing of song number 24, "a part of the world.
" it's loosely based on john 17:16.. a part of the world.
although god once set us apart,.
p.s.
Seeker,
This wasn't really directed to you, just an observation about the general negative tone that sometimes exists on this forum.
And besides, I couldn't resist the urge to make up a little ditty of my own.
brothers and sisters, let's rise now and join in the singing of song number 24, "a part of the world.
" it's loosely based on john 17:16.. a part of the world.
although god once set us apart,.
Sung to the Tune of Song 15:
Life Without End at Last!
Here I am
Posting Again
Knowing I'm an Outsider
Still I stay here
Throught taunt and jeer
Searching through threads to find
True info I can weigh
Without the hate or plain hearsay
No hasty slam
Or verbal spam
But an interchange of the mind
Some were hurt
treated like dirt
So they pounce on each random Dub posting
Trade bruises for sprains
But neither gains
Both stewing in our own brine
Can't we try to keep our cool?
Must we paint the other fool?
We disagree
Sometimes violently
But where do we draw the line?
following the link given by kent,.
i have several observation to make:.
(from the link : http://www.un.org/moreinfo/ngolink/brochure.htm).
Thank you, Seeker, for your thoughts. Yes, it is upsetting to me. And I'm just trying to get a handle on what exactly is going on. Something doesn't sound right. And unless I can get a good, logical explanation for what they've done, I might have to bring it to the elders and/or write to the Society or both in an attempt to figure it out.
a "significant re-adjustment" in watchtower dicta is in the works.
is it important?
if you do want to know, then take the time to read the following information, for doctrine is the motivation behind everything that is "watchtower", and recent happenings within watchtower-world shed light on the future course of the great ship watchtower.. [hr].
bibleexaminer,
So if I'm understanding correctly, the "new light" is that the UN is no longer the modern-day disgusting thing that causes desolation? Do you think that's how they'll explain that it's OK to be an NGO associated with them?
Also, wouldn't that totally change the whole view of how the great tribulation is going to start???
That seems like a MAJOR change in direction!
