anyone remember the one where kirk got mixed up in the transporter and spit into two people?
one kirk was mean and violent and nasty and tried to feel up yoman rand and swore a lot and attacked people for no good reason.
the other kirk was sweet and nice and he seemed better, but he was kind of a woosie and couldn't make a decision or do anything meaningful except talk about denuvian slime bread toppings and he couldn't even get a bulge in the spandex for yoman rand, but at least he was polite.. gosh, i don't know what made me think of this episode.. night all,.
I also, have been to a Star Trek convention, at which I had Nichelle Nichols autograph an article from an old TV Guide article about her. I also attended a performance of Shatner and Nimoy live, discussing their Trek experience, and telling all their stories.
I collect TV Guides as well (since 1967), and when TV Guide recently issued a 35 multiple Star Trek cover edition, I bought the collection! But...I'm not a Star Trek nut!!! I've never dressed up in costume....yet.
truman
in the hall, out in service or at the convention:.
"sister ester (aka polly), how wonderful to see you!
hasnt jehovah blessed us this fine day?
What they say:
We really hope you'll come back to the Kingdom Hall soon. We haven't seen you for quite a while, and we miss you.
What they mean:
My God...you look great, you've lost weight, and you look happier tham we've seen you look in years. That CANNOT be good. You're getting too much enjoyment out of life away from the org., and you need to be back in the 'spiritual paradise' miserable and bored like the rest of us. After all, if we are not constantly reminded how bad life is in this system, how could we keep our attention focused on Armaggedon.
truman
i was wondering if anyone else is feeling it on the wind that there seems to be a coming.
equivilency between officially disassociating onesself, and simply being in a state of.
non-association as a walkaway, fade-out, inactive person.
Thanks all for your comments!
Minimus,
I sure hope they don't decide to come after me, 'cause they might just be able to find 'probable cause', at least in their eyes for some sort of action. I do try to cover my tracks pretty well though.
Pat,
Nice to run into you. I've been thinking about sending you an email lately, but haven't done it yet. I'd love to hear from you.
outnfree,
Thanks for the hug. It always helps to get one. I do know that the price for leaving is high, no matter which method of exit is chosen, or foisted upon a person. I love my son very, very much, but whatever the cost, I can no longer be a prisoner of mind control.
truman
i was wondering if anyone else is feeling it on the wind that there seems to be a coming.
equivilency between officially disassociating onesself, and simply being in a state of.
non-association as a walkaway, fade-out, inactive person.
I was wondering if anyone else is feeling it on the wind that there seems to be a coming
equivilency between officially DISASSOCIATING onesself, and simply being in a state of
non-association as a walkaway, fade-out, inactive person.
I have been speaking to several people who are either zealous witnesses (with me talking
to them incognito as a dissident) or are non-associating JWs living with the possibility of misery over this from zealous family members. There seems to be a feeling that those who just leave without fanfare really ought to be treated the same as someone who officially DAs or is DF'd. This apparently has been fanned into flames by the current material being studied from the August KM,concerning how to treat DF'd and DA'd relatives. Though I could find nothing explicit about this in the KM article, I feel a foreboding about the possibility, and have noticed what seemed to be an expression of it in my own interaction with local witnesses.
I am just a fade-out person myself, but have lived in my small town and been in my cong
for over 15 years, so know everybody well, and am known. Yesterday, I happened upon a
brother who is usually very friendly, and at first he looked like he was going to completely
ignore my greeting, but then said, "I haven't seen you around for a while". That was all he
said. I haven't been to a meeting for several months. This is worrisome, because I have
an adult child who is a MS, and very zealous. I desperately do not want any more
distance between us due to WT policy than there already is.
Has anybody heard anything about this?
truman
i'm in california and just tuned in to cnn @ 8:00 and there was 1/2 hour of connie chung about kidnapped kids, but nothing about bill bowen, the two girls, or the wts.
anyone know what happened?
patedited by - patio34 on 14 august 2002 23:45:2.
Hi Patio,
I am also in California, and I was able to catch the show. I happened to be channel surfing around 6:30, and ran upon it. So they did show the piece early in the evening.
truman
excellent program!!!!!!!
the young ladies and bill were great!!!!!!!!!!!!.
peace - ll
It was amazing to see this piece. I am a bit of a cable news junkie, and graze among the major purveyors of this artform daily. I can't help but think back to only a little more than a year ago when I was still an unawakened witness. What would I have thought had I 'stumbled' across this news interview with Connie Chung exposing such a scandal among JWs? I surely would have felt stricken to the core to view it, and hear these very credible fellow Witnesses telling their horrendous stories. I know there are some in my local cong. who have real concern for such things. I hope they were watching.
truman
as a few may recall watchtower policy has changed when circumstances serves the interest of the governing body in getting rid of someone they want to railroad.
an example that has been offered involves peter gregerson.
peter was a personal friend to ray franz, in 1980 peter wrote a letter to the society, saying he wanted no further association with the organization.
This continual redefining, tightening and adding to the rules for disfellowshipping reminds me of the way my husband's job works. He is a locomotive engineer. The railroads have been around about 150 years, only a litle longer than the WTS, and they too have made an art of rulemaking. There is a rule to cover every eventuality and circumstance. And if something should arise which seems to fall outside the current rules, a new rule is immediately drafted. Supposedly all this is done in the name of safety, much as the WTS would say that their actions are for the spiritual safety of the org. But in reality, the effect and purpose of these endless rules is to control the employees, and facilitate the jettisoning of people who are deemed undesireable for one reason ar another, kind of like disfellowshipping. Oddly enought, like DF'ing, at times a 'fired' employee may return for further employment if certain conditions are met.
Some posters noted that there is a wide latitude in the application of the finer points of the DF policies, and this too is like the railroad rules. They are applied unevenly many times, mostly in relation to getting the job done. However, if the company wants to get rid of you, there is invariably a rule which you have broken and so you can be blamed for whatever went wrong and fired. In fact, it is impossible to make a move, much less do the job efficiently and still follow all the rules, so you are always a potential violator. It is a climate of fear and intimidation, which is designed to reinforce the company power, and keep the underlings off balance and worried about the security of their employment status.
Of course, at the railroad, we are only talking about a job. In the WTS, it seems to the faithful witness that his very everlasting life is at stake, probably making the whole system work even better. Although in reality, since the WTS is mostly a huge business corp/publishing company, all there is at stake IS a job, and not a very good one at that.
truman
please don't be turned off because this is rather creepy and has "reference" only to the occult.
because the information was found on a website that i got from a post on this forum.
i was curious.
I hesitate to make any comments on this subject, lest I end up looking like a crackpot, but this is a favorite subject of mine. In the late 70's, I (a witness at the time)read 2 books on the subject of subliminal imagery in commercial applications. They were called "Media Sexploitation" and "Subliminal Seduction", both by Wilson Bryan Key. They concern highly controversial subject matter, and are utterly fascinating, at least to me. They show how regular and widespread use of subliminal messages is present in much advertising, and they give some explanation for the reason it is used. In using archetypal imagery and subliminal imbedding techniques, the purveyors of such material hope to bypass the perceptual defenses, and reach the subconscious. Somehow if this can be done, it strengthens the impact of the conscious message. It is my belief that the presence of these techniques in the WT is a deliberate use of this psychological technology, with the same aim as those who use it commercially---to influence readers on deeper levels than can be done without these tools.
This subject was one of the very first things I encountered on the internet about JW's when I first plugged 'jehovah's witnesses' into a search engine a number of years ago. When I saw the examples and went to the actual literature in my home to confirm it, I was deeply shocked and stunned. Unfortunately, I did my best to put that feeling behind me and go on as a faithful witness for several more years, before last year, when I finally woke up from the WT dream world.
Again, I know this is very controversial, and many view it as bunk, but it does seem to be there over a long period of time in the pages of the WT. There surely must be a better reason than bored artists or practical jokes. Well, that's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.
truman
amazing jim's post on "spirit in the sky" made me recall this one, which came out just as wts "1975 fever" was starting.
anyone remember it?.
"in the year 2525 (exordium & terminus)" - zager and evans .
I certainly remember this song. It was one of my favorites. In fact, I have in my possession a vintage 45 RPM record of it. I might just have to fire up the turntable and have a listen to it.
truman
for many of us, the thought of missing a meeting to do anything else was problematic.
should i go to that concert (to that group that only comes once every few years on a meeting night) or should i give my talk?
should i go to both meetings this sunday or should i go on that company picnic?
I was a pretty regular meeting attender, but not so obsessive that I couldn't miss one for what I thought was a legitimate reason, though I resented the relentless pressure to attend. I have always been seriously annoyed by that not-so-subtle technique the witnesses have of wheedling out the info to determine whether or not one's 'excuse' for missing a meeting was acceptable. This being accomplished, as was mentioned, by asking if you were allright or saying they missed you. It is just a technique for mutual spying, oneupmanship in theocratic obedience (I was there, where were you?), and control. Very rarely was it ever a real concern for a person's health. I used to always feel compelled to give some account of why I was missing, but as I gained strength in my deprogramming, I would just say 'thank you' when they tried that. It always put an end to the line of questioning.
I do have one good story about missing a meeting. A fellow witness and I, both Star Trek fans had non refundable tickets for a live performance of Leonard Nimoy and William shatner talking about their ST experiences. They was bought way in advance, for a Saturday night. No meetings. Well, the CO was visiting, and due to some forgettable circumstance, one of his meetings with the cong. was rescheduled at the last minute for... that very Saturday night of our event. I decided to discuss it with the CO, and 'get permission' so to speak. Pitiful isn't it! Anyway, he was very understanding, and told us to go ahead and go to it, and catch his talk next week at another nearby cong. We went. Had a great time. Never did go to the CO's talk later.
truman
