Posts by gingerbread

19

Another Gem from the Golden Pen of the Faithful Slave

by Slidin Fast in

look at this pile of steaming horse sh*t. this is meant to soften the horror of this god of war destroying 7,000,000,000 men, women and children in a holy jihad.

draw close book p 65 .

19 consider an illustration: suppose that a mans family was being attacked by a vicious animal and that the man jumped into the fray and killed the violent beast.

gingerbread

Here's a better version of this illustration that draws a parallel between this man and God :

The man destroys the vicious animal to protect his family then uses his 'army' to go and kill all the other animals in the jungle. The man uses his own distructive power to napalm the jungle. This further exposes any animals who have sympathy for the destroyed animal. His henchmen kill every last living being. Other humans who fight against the man and his 'army' are destroyed excecution style. The loving father takes their homes and all their possessions and gives it to his family and army.

They all worship this loving, protective man forever and enjoy everlasting happiness.

The end.

30

"we must be ready to obey, even if it doesnt sound reasonable from a human standpoint"

by stuckinarut2 in

so its now all clear!.

the reason why that damned wt article several months back said the quote:.

"we may be asked to do something by jehovahs organization, and we should be ready to obey even if it doesnt seem reasonable from a human standpoint or not".

gingerbread

After re-reading that article, I think that statement was made directly to the elders.

1) You no longer control who is an elder or ministerial servant in your congregation.

2) You no longer control the congregation bank account.

I do fear that the next step will directly affect the publishers - as some of you suggest - i.e.tests of loyalty by stirring up 'persecution'.

ginger

10

The Candace Condi Appeal

by Slidin Fast in

does anyone know what is going on with this?

i am on the court mailing list but there has been a deafening silence on the subject.

i know the wheels of the legal process grind slowly but has anyone got any insider info?.

gingerbread

Appeals can sometimes take a couple of years to be heard. Don't lose heart!

I truly believe that the Kingdom Hall and congregation bank account takeovers are related to this case ... and others around the world. These are court cases that the Org. is preparing to lose.

ginger

9

Is the new donation arrangment communism?

by toto555 in

the "richer" congregations giving off their surplus to the "poorer" congregations around the world.

"from each according to their ability to each according to their need".

the maxim of karl marx.

gingerbread

It's a candy coated idealistic mirage of the distribution of wealth.

This appeals to many Witnesses because it conjures up a teary-eyed version of the "New System" - the 'spiritual paradise' in action!!

In reality, it is a calculated business and legal maneuver.

ginger

59

"They've made us debt FREE !!!"

by gingerbread in

jw
friends

so proclaimed the brother that read the wt letter tonight that explained the new kingdom hall funding arrangement.. everyone in the hall claps .... well, like it was the last talk on the district convention.. he says 'what bank would wipe out a debt of $200,000 ???

only jehovah's organization!

isn't this wonderful !!!".

gingerbread

Also at last night's meeting - the elder that read the letter opened it up for any questions. The questions raised were about the actual contribution boxes - confusion about which boxes will remain and which were going away.

In conversation afterward some folks (who have brains that still think) expressed that they were just putting $'s into the local box - to cover expenses. One older brother said to me that he stopped putting money into the 'worldwide work' box a few years ago because it was probably being used for legal fees and victim hush money.

Now they realize that they have lost control of where their contributions will be applied.

One big SLUSH FUND ....

ginger

59

"They've made us debt FREE !!!"

by gingerbread in

jw
friends

so proclaimed the brother that read the wt letter tonight that explained the new kingdom hall funding arrangement.. everyone in the hall claps .... well, like it was the last talk on the district convention.. he says 'what bank would wipe out a debt of $200,000 ???

only jehovah's organization!

isn't this wonderful !!!".

gingerbread

Yes - AnnOMaly.

Any congregation who had (earlier in the week) agreed to a 'resolution' to send a lump sum every month is now "on hold". The new letter states that each publisher in the congregation will get a 'survey' slip to fill out.

It just got personal - no longer a contribution as a congregation but a contribution from YOU the publisher. They want a $ commitment from each publisher.

ginger

14

"I no longer want to be 'Bloodguilty'"

by stuckinarut2 in

i have been thinking of a simple one liner to use when challenged as to why i dont seem to be an "active / good" witness.... "i no longer wish to be considered as 'bloodguilty' thanks" and leave it at that.. if said in a dignified, (not in a smart arse way), then i think this may make people see that my desicion is a sound one based on logic and not emotion..... thoughts?.

gingerbread

Stop thinking like a good Jehovah's Witness.

You don't have to justify your non-activity or give any reason or excuse.

The first step to freedom is realizing that they only have power over you if you give your freedom to them.

ginger

39

Speculation on why now?

by Crazyguy in

in the last couple of years the org has gone money crazy, selling off over a billion dollars worth of property and now a new tithing program.

just wonder what every one thinks is the reason for all this now?.

gingerbread

The Watchtower leadership (not the Governing Body) is strengthening its financial position.

The Governing Body is strengthening its control position (of the individual members and the body of elders).

As an organization, they are doing everything possible to take ownership of the structure - down to the kids in the congregations.

The appointments or deletions of elders is now controlled by the circuit overseer. The branches now own all Kingdom Halls and Assembly Halls. The branch (and headquarters) now controls each congregation's bank account.

I don't know what is in store for the future with the doctrinal issues - but I think it's going to be BIG. Big changes will cause divisions, doubts and anger in the publishers and elders. I also think the the Governing Body is going to create situations (and push loyalty issues) that will bring persecution upon the individual Witnesses.

ginger

59

"They've made us debt FREE !!!"

by gingerbread in

jw
friends

so proclaimed the brother that read the wt letter tonight that explained the new kingdom hall funding arrangement.. everyone in the hall claps .... well, like it was the last talk on the district convention.. he says 'what bank would wipe out a debt of $200,000 ???

only jehovah's organization!

isn't this wonderful !!!".

gingerbread

After the letter was read - and the comment was given about being 'free of payments' on the KH loan - yes, $200,000 is remaining on this single auditorium Hall that was built a few years ago - the applause erupted.

In the letter it specifically states that new Hall projects are needed in areas where "the costs of property and building materials is high". This new arrangement isn't targeted to build quick structures in developing parts of the world. (13,000 Kingdom Halls and 35 Assembly Halls) Perhaps the focus is to add investment properties to their real estate portfolio (real collateral).

The letter offers two options for the congregations - the BOE will present a resolution for a monthly payment OR a 'survey' of what each family will contribute monthly. After the letter was read the brother said that there was a change in that method (they had received a NEW letter of instructions on Wednesday). All congregations must take a survey - with each publisher/family committing to a monthly contribution.

ginger

59

"They've made us debt FREE !!!"

by gingerbread in

jw
friends

so proclaimed the brother that read the wt letter tonight that explained the new kingdom hall funding arrangement.. everyone in the hall claps .... well, like it was the last talk on the district convention.. he says 'what bank would wipe out a debt of $200,000 ???

only jehovah's organization!

isn't this wonderful !!!".

gingerbread

So proclaimed the brother that read the WT letter tonight that explained the new Kingdom Hall funding arrangement.

Everyone in the Hall claps .... well, like it was the last talk on the District Convention.

He says 'What bank would wipe out a debt of $200,000 ??? Only Jehovah's Organization! Isn't this wonderful !!!"

ginger