If 587 was the destruction of Jerusalem, then 1914 would still be the end of the gentile times because that is how it was believed prior to Nelson Barbour's changing of the time of the destruction of Jerusalem.
Rattigan350
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Another reason why 1914 is WRONG
by EdenOne ineven if 607 had been the actual date of the destruction of jerusalem .... 1914 would still be wrong.
when the wts says that "7 times" equals 2 x 3,5 times of revelation = 2 x 1260 days = 2520 days > one day / one year rule = 2520 years.. now, 2520 / 7 times means that one "time" has 360 "days".
this corresponds to the lunar year.
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New World Translation
by MsD init may seem like a stupid question but who was responsible for translating their version of the bible?
i heard it was ray franz, several governing body members.
does anybody have any legitimate info that can prove who exactly translated it?
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Rattigan350
"A list of the names of fifty-four men "
I said who translated it. That means more than their names. Who were these people?
Masters of the language? But they got so much wrong to where there were many translations since.
Why do people refer to what the translator knew but yet can't criticize the translation itself.
If you want to critiicize JWs, attacking the NWT is not the way to do it because that is not the problem with the religion.
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New World Translation
by MsD init may seem like a stupid question but who was responsible for translating their version of the bible?
i heard it was ray franz, several governing body members.
does anybody have any legitimate info that can prove who exactly translated it?
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Rattigan350
Wow. This thread is so full of it.
1st, it is not a "version of the Bible". It is a translation from the Hebrew and Greek texts.
Who translated the KJV or other 'version' of the Bible? People don't know and people don't care.
2nd, for rhine's reference to 'the Word was a god'. no one knows what John meant but John.
Why criticize that verse because it is different and suits critics? Greber was irrelevant to the translation.
#3 poster. IF Fred Franz had limited knowledge how is it that the translation exists?
Demon forces? Get real.
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My JW Friend's Birthday Is Coming Up. Should I Say Happy Anniversary?
by InterestedOne inmeaning the anniversary of the day she came into the world.
would a jw typically be offended by that?
she's a convert and a true believer.
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Why spend the money and time on something as trival as birthday parties?
It's illogic is why I don't celebrate.
Same with Christmas. It is as if when people are born, they inherit some responsibility to shop for others for Christmas,
by the question "have you done your Christmas shopping"? For real people.
Do people automatically believe in hellfire when they leave the faith?
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Anyone Else See Les Miserables?
by BizzyBee ini went to see it today - by myself (mr bee is on a golf junket).
i was glad that that i was by myself because i cried so much at the end, i wouldn't have wanted to be with anyone who wasn't crying - and that would not have been mr bee!.
les miserables the current film is adapted from what is considered one of the half-dozen greatest novels of the past 150 years and one of the longest novels ever written.
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The signing was annoying after a while. Should have been like a Grease musical.
I saw the 1958 Version with Jean Gabin playing Jean val Jean. Neeson version is best.
I like how this is an example to people as I am so tired of the Bible. Bible principles and Bible morality. Bible, this and Bible that.
Les Miz taught mercy and kindness. And it was inspired of God. The Bishop was kind and showed mercy to Jean and he followed that, because he was inspired by Godly principles. But we learn from the story.
Javert was mercyless and when someone showed mercy to him, he couldn't compute it.
I liked how Crowe's uniforms were always perfect and clean, showing of his attention to detail and law.
It also teaches against hellfire. Just like it is illogical to punish someone 5 years for stealing a loaf of bread, then extending it for trying to escape; sending someone to hellfire for eternity for petty sins here is illogical.
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How many decades/centuries before 1914 becomes irrelevant?
by jwfacts inhow long do you think the watchtower can speak about 1914 and have followers think it relevant?
i think for people born in the 1900's, it feels like an acceptable year.
but what about those born since 2000, will 1914 seem like a year of relevance?
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Rattigan350
1914 is 2520 years after the kings in the line of David lost their sovereignty. The prophecy was that the kings would be on Jehovah's throne until Jesus. That did not happen when Jehoiakim bowed to Babylon in 607 and the prophesy was paused for 2502 years until 1914.
It will always be relevant.
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JW firm forced to pay 44,000 pounds for harassment.
by soiledumpling inhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2174181/sales-rep-repeatedly-accused-gay-didn-t-like-football-wins-44-000-payout-harassment.html.
this story is weird on too many levels.
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Rattigan350
And it starts with the British confusion as to what football is. We call it soccer.
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This generation will by now means pass away..."
by Jewel ini haven't been to a meeting (other than some cousins' weddings) for well over twenty years.
i've always wondered what the fds was going to do with the "generations" thing once pretty much everybody who had been alive in 1914 is gone.
i get that they've come up with some "new light" about this topic, but when i ask my mom (who's still in) i only get "well, the new understanding is complicated...".
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It originally made sense. But it didn't pan out, so they had to change it. Change it to something fluid.
They and anyone has no idea what Jesus meant because it is wise to just take a phrase and make a religion out of it?
The do that with the FDS phrase.
How do we even know that we have his complete teaching on the matter?
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How did you feel making your first post here?
by cognac ini was scared sh*tless.
i stayed home from work for four days scared to go out of my house thinking god would strike me down by lightening if was wrong with my thoughts... i couldn't sleep at all.... but i had to take that first step... as scary as it was....
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Afraid of Jehovah striking you down for posting on here? As if he even knows...
He doesn't even know that hurricanes and tornados destroy cities, how would he know what goes on here.
He doesn't know those things because if he did, he would stop them.
I was more afraid of you all.
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 01-06-2013 WT Review (HUMILITY)
by blondie injesus set the pattern of humility.
on earth, jehovah god exalted his.
pattern of humility?
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The fact that people do not allow criticism of the elders, FDS or anything, shows that they do not allow them to be humble. They take that option away from them.
I don't see why you have to make an issue out of Jesus being Michael. That is such a non-issue.
So what if he is, so what if he isn't.