Posts by Rattigan350

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April KM Question Box: Cellphones

by pixel in

check out this arriving in april:.

what bible principles apply to the useof cell phones while attending christian meetings and sharing in the ministry?.

for everything there is an appointed time.

Rattigan350

Why do people need Bible principles for everything? What ever happened to common sense and manners and courtesy?

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Making the congregations pay for invitation printing

by Rattigan350 in

the memorial and district convention invitations have a space for each congregtion to put their local information on them.. the congregations then have to foot the bill, many times it is the service overseer personally, for the printing on them.. some print labels and the congregation puts them on, others print with their laser printer and wear them out.. at first the paper was so poor that the particles would destroy laster printers and make a dust storm.

commercial printers hated that paper.. the society should have a variable data printing system since they know the times of the memorial and convention for each congregation and they should print that while they print the initial invitation.. think if it, 12,000 congregations in the usa multipled by $50 on average cost to print or label each congregation's amounts to $600,000.

do that twice a year for 7 years and that is $8.4 million dollars.

Rattigan350

The memorial and District convention invitations have a space for each congregtion to put their local information on them.

The congregations then have to foot the bill, many times it is the service overseer personally, for the printing on them.

Some print labels and the congregation puts them on, others print with their laser printer and wear them out.

At first the paper was so poor that the particles would destroy laster printers and make a dust storm. Commercial printers hated that paper.

The Society should have a variable data printing system since they know the times of the memorial and convention for each congregation and they should print that while they print the initial invitation.

Think if it, 12,000 congregations in the USA multipled by $50 on average cost to print or label each congregation's amounts to $600,000. Do that twice a year for 7 years and that is $8.4 million dollars. A variable data print head system attached to their press and ink would be far less than that. It may slow the presses down.

What a waste of money for the congregations and they get nothing for it.

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About the 16 pg mags

by pontoon in

just flipped through the feb awake and the feb 1 public wat.

first time since they went to 16 pages.

my first impression was the large amount of blank space in both mags, really wasted space.

Rattigan350

The bad part about it is that I will get less when I take the older magazines to recycling as they pay by the pound.

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Worship at the meetings(TM)....REALLY??

by punkofnice in

there were times when i was a jw that i asked myself :.

'what constitustes actual worship at the meetings?'.

it got to a point where the only worship i could see was a sycophantic arse licking of the governing body.. i found nothing at the meetings(tm) were actually anything like worshipping god.. .

Rattigan350

Amelia - JWs have the watchtower(R) logo to worship.

Did you notice on the 12/15/12 W page 12 that the boy was reading the Bible from the speaker stand that had a watchtower symbol.

Weren't they supposed to not use those in the Kingdom Halls?

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To those still "in" - how do you keep up a facade?

by magotan in

i can't come out until the summertime.

in the mean time, i have to feign interest like i want to stay so i don't end up homeless.. .

i can't sit at the meetings without getting visibily irritated.

Rattigan350

What I did when my wife was gone was to just get there 10 min early and mingle then when it starts, leave then I can tell people I was there as I talked to several.

Or at the meetings for field service, just say you have a study or prior arrangements, of if anyone needs a car group, don't raise your hand.

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not ready to go over to the "dark side"

by nowwhat? in

after spending a lifetime in it, no one is as fed up with the wt as i am.

[my golf game would have been a hell of alot better if i was'nt banging my head against the wall on saturdays!

lol ] this forum has taught me alot more than i thought to confirm my suspicions.

Rattigan350

Let's not go overboard here. The JWs do have correct doctrine. the problem is that the organization is going in a self-serving direction.

The focus is on the organization. The publishers are pushed to be delivery people of the literature and to get bible studies so that people can come to the meetings and be donators so that revenues can continue.

As far as "was a JW, and then became a Christian " goes, since JWs are Christians but pharasical ones, that statement would not apply. It is just a matter of them being self serving in their focus or agenda.

Why do people need any religion? What has religion done for mankind? It is just people doing things with or for each other using God as a focal point.

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I finally told my parents

by nolongerconfused in

so as some of you already may know, i have stopped going to meetings for good and have nothing to do with wbts anymore...did not write a letter of disassociation because i dont believe an organization should spiritually execute me for rejecting men's tradition and false doctrine...some of you may recall i spoke to my wife and are in good terms, even though she's still an active jw.

my parents are both active jw's...when i visited them yesterday, they clearly did not expect me to tell them i had left the "org"...to my huge surprise, after i explained to them i had found ttatt (truth about the truth) and gave compelling evidence of my reasoning, and using the scriptures, they totally sided with me...i was dumbfounded...one of my parents even brought up ray franz and his book coc....i was like wtf??.

they told me all of these years they never had the guts to say anything about the hypocrisy in this org and they were glad that i as their son was able to step up and believe what is right and what is on the bible...they re-assured their love to me and they were happy i had found happiness in jesus christ and the need to have a personal relationship with him and not through a man made organization.... i totally did not expect this response from my parents...but it just leaves me to think that there are thousands of active jw's out there feeling the same way and don't have the courage to step up to the org...still don't know what they are going to do, but i got the feeling they will do the same eventually and move on from the wbts.... have a great week everyone.

Rattigan350

The problem with the above is that there is not a problem with WT teachings and doctrines.

The problem is with the direction that the organization is going with them.

The organization is all about the organization, and no care or consideration is given to the people within.

You said " I have stopped going to meetings for good ". Has anyone asked Why?

I dont' think so. They just invite you to meetings and field service and beat you with scripture.

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What's you BIGGEST pet peeve/disagreement with the WT or GB?!?

by TeenageInsider in

for me its the district conventions.

not bragging in anyway, but i was born-into a family of 'higher ups' im talking co's and zo's..... and there is a room that they set up in the conventions/stadiums called the "chairmans office".

i always have access to these rooms, because im usually with one of my higher up family members who give talks and all that other crap.. anyways, while everyone in the convention is sitting in the sun, eating a slimy, soggy bolognia sandwich, the chairmans office is air conditioned, has a variety of chilled beverages, 'coke, pepsi, diet coke, gatorade, dasani water bottles,' not to mention the 'danishes, sandwich triangles, cookies, cakes, muffins, fresh coffee, and for lunch, pizza, salads, pastas, and lasagna'.

Rattigan350

I will start by listing pet peeves of this board: People are stuck in the childishness of calling names, i.e. Witchtower, dub, etc.

focusing on prophesies and people rather than the real problem.

Complaining about disfellowshipping when being with the people is nothing great anyway.

Complaining about rules when, if you don't go to the meetings, who is going to know what you do?

Now the peeves of the organization:

Too much focus on meeting attendance while at the meeting. When I am there, I don't need to be told to be there. Make the meetings so great that I will want to come back. But instead they beat people over the head with Bible quotes and directives.

Stating that going door to door and handing out literature is sacred service. It is an unpaid mail carrier. They want the masses to do the work to bring in the people. It is MLM. and in MLMs only the ones at the top, not doing the work benefit.

Stating that the meetings have spiritual food, when nothing is tailored to the individual and everything is dumbed down.

Calling things 'obedience to God' when the reality is to keep the organization together and cohesive, such as not associating with DFd ones and marrying only in the lord. And then such cohesiveness has the purpose of continuing the organzation, so that Bethel can make its money to pay its bills.

Saying that allowing 15 minutes in service for elderly or infirmed is a loving provision from Jehovah, when a loving provision would be to not worry about hours at all.

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where will you go away to? versus whom shall we go away to?

by soft+gentle in

this thread was sparked by punkofnice's thread and started a lively "discussion" in my mind about patriarchal power.

so i didn't want to derail punkofnice's thread or tec's subsequent one, but am interested in a discussion.. punkofnice's thread.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/245335/1/the-gb-are-gods-mouthpiece-rebuttal-to-elders .

Rattigan350

Question:

Whom shall we go away to?

Answer: Why does anyone have to go away to anyone or anywhere?

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The GB are god's mouthpiece. Rebuttal to elders?

by punkofnice in

i've read how many have been asked the question if they belive thae gb/f&d$ are jehovah's(tm) channel for communication.

this question to finally find out if they should be df or not (terms and conditions apply and are subject to favouritism or who your family are).. we all know too well that the gb arrogantly do claim to be god's channel in their pope like status.. however, when they are made to look like arses they suddenly become 'just imperfect men doing their best...where else will you go?'(r).

so when the elders come to hound individuals and ask the ultimate question of loyalty to the holy paedo ring known as the gb..... what answers have you heard given that was totally brilliant?.

Rattigan350

My reply would be "The only thing that matters and that I can rely on is my bank account, which is much smaller by following the FDS".

Or what if I say "I'm an agnostic and need proof if this God to start with".

It is just like drugs. Drugs are an escape from reality and what one feels is not real, and does not fix anything and when it wears of, one is back to reality. Relying on another dose or addiction for more. The meetings and the people are the same way. They want an escape from reality, the paradise and people are their escape. When they are away, they are in reality that they dont' like so they have to go back for more and feed their addiction to the unreality.

They are making people addicted to they they will keep coming back.