Posts by Rattigan350

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 02-17-2013 WT Study (TEMP RESIDENTS)

by blondie in

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united nations http://www.randytv.com/secret/unitednations.htm.

6. in what sense can jehovahs witnesses be.

residents, and of what?.

Rattigan350

I always got the impression that those not going to heaven had a second best hope to live forever on earth. They would never see God or Jesus or heaven or the angels. They would never fight side by side against Satan and the fallen angels. They would become perfect instantly upon death and not have to wait 1,000 years to be judged worthy to be part of God’s family as sons of God. That they would judge angels and all of us on earth. That they would be immortal and could not be killed.

Who told you that? The Bible writers who had not expereienced that? Since no one experienced, it why would people want it?

How neutral can jws be if they are constantly preaching that all governments will be soon destroyed by God and are satanic in origin and they are Satan worshippers?

What does that have to do with neutrality? Neutrality is about not taking sides in man's affairs. If one is for God's government and against all of man's, that is neutral.

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How did the JW come up with the idea that human has no soul or spirit??

by FingersCrossed in

really appreaciate it if someone can tell me :).

Rattigan350

Bu2B, no that is not true; but one shouldn't base this on the Bible as if it is a text book explaining the process by ones in the know.

How would Paul know such things?

Immortal soul means it never dies. Of course the soul dies when people die. But if it didnt' no one knows what happens after it.

The Bible gives to possiblities.

The physical body being remade and the emotions and memory etc being put back in.

or the emotions, memory, etc being made alive in a spirit, non-material form. That has been termed Heaven because it is non-material just as outside earth's atmosphere is non-material. But how could such a thing exist and why would one want it if one does not know how it exists?

I don't understand this whole concept of wanting to go to heaven, when one has no experience with it, other than to be with Jesus.

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Early church fathers

by Rattigan350 in

in a post by leolaia she stated:.

then the trinity brochure came out and i almost immediately became upset at its intellectual dishonesty, as by this time i was very familiar with the early church fathers and recognized that the brochure distorted heavily their views.. .

early church fathers and their views?

Rattigan350

In a post by Leolaia she stated:

Then the Trinity brochure came out and I almost immediately became upset at its intellectual dishonesty, as by this time I was very familiar with the early church fathers and recognized that the brochure distorted heavily their views.

This is something I don't get. Early church fathers and their views? Who were they? Ignatius, Polycarp, Clement, Origen, etc.

The theory being that they were closer to the apostles who knew Jesus that they would know more accurately the truth of the matter.

But the apostles themselves didn't teach with distinction truth on these matters. They weren't inspired. It is recorded that Polycarp had been a disciple of John. So what of it? John was not clear in his writings as there is so much conflict over them, how would Polycarp be clearer? Would Polycarp be the Robin to John being Batman. Or Master apprentice, John would be Quigon to Polycarp being Obi Wan?

Using 2000 year old letters to form doctrine, when they should have originally being put in a teaching-doctrine is ridiculous. Look at how much people debate over the founding fathers and their intent with the constitution. Its interpretation has evolved to be more complex in 200 years to suit their needs of the day. In 200 years of Christianity, these people argued about the sayings and meanings of Jesus to where they made it more complex to suit their needs of the day.

I feel that the Bible, as the important word of God, should have been presented with more definiteness as a teaching book, rather than simply history and sayings. So how is it that people judge religion based on quotes or perceived views of these ones? Who or how the heck would one know what they thought anyway?

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DYING TO PIONEER!

by The Searcher in

i was talking with an elderly sister today, and she brought up the topic of pioneering in march & april.

she then mentioned the elderly brother who has an extremely serious condition who was used to explain to the congregation, how he would adjust to be able to get the pioneer hours in.

it became 100% clear to the sister (and probably others) that this brother could die by pushing himself so hard.. loving shepherds, prove it - don't sanction such ones to enrol for such a life-threatening exercise.

Rattigan350

That's why I love to hear when the economy goes bad and gas prices go up. If they won't listen to reason, then they will listen to their wallets.

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How did the JW come up with the idea that human has no soul or spirit??

by FingersCrossed in

really appreaciate it if someone can tell me :).

Rattigan350

Shouldn't the question be: How did anyone come up with the idea that humans have a soul or spirit?

Since nothing is known beyond death that information is unknown.

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April 2013 Our Kingdom Ministry and other files

by Atlantis in

standing in for atlantis.

i post as [vulcan] with my daughter [petra] who helps as typist.

atlantis said that all of you would know about the download procedures.

Rattigan350

And when the Lord "arrives" he will take the annointed home. Didn't he arrive in 1914?

No, the Lord's arriving is not until he resurrects them to heavenly life. So many people get that wrong. He does not arrive to us on the

earth but to the ones to whom Paul was writing.

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You are EVEN ALLOWED TO HAVE SEX with your marriage mate!!

by 2+2=5 in

quote from december 2012 study edition wt, we did it today - .

"even the desire for sexual pleasure with ones marriage mate is fitting and has its place.".

thanks faithfull slave.

Rattigan350

What else would one expect when there is a Q from Readers about in vitro fertilized eggs that have been frozen and what to do with them?

What difference does it make?

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Whacky comments! What the craziest comment you've ever heard?

by toweragent in

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last week a sister in my new hall made the following comment,.

"a brother once told me that it is better to be wrong with the organization, than to be right and be on your own without the organization.".

wow.

Rattigan350

One older elder had a theory . He thought (or maybe hoped ) that we would all be naked in the new system. This, since Adam and Eve only felt shame for their nakedness after they sinned

What is wacky about that? Do you like wearing clothes and washing and ironing, etc?

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April KM Question Box: Cellphones

by pixel in

check out this arriving in april:.

what bible principles apply to the useof cell phones while attending christian meetings and sharing in the ministry?.

for everything there is an appointed time.

Rattigan350

Speaking of TP, on Sunday mornings when I go to meetings with wife, I save my BMs (dumps) for the KH so I can save my TP and use the hall's and also have something to do during the meeting. I bring my work magazines to read while in the stall.

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How Long has it Been since you Last Attended Meetings and What Caused...

by flipper in

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..... you to stop attending ?

injustices ?

disagree with the teachings ?

Rattigan350

Rubadubdub said:

When they finally announced the "new Light" (gag) that the Toes in Daniel's dream image, drum roll please. . . mean absolutely nothing

I was amazed at this announcement of this being a new understanding because the fact of the matter is that it was not new to me because several years prior, I was the one that informed them of this. What they do is, they agree the with what the letter writer says, but write to him/her and/or the congregation's elders and state to wait on Jehovah, or keep studying, not to run ahead, etc. Then they steal the information and present it as their new light and everyone eats it up.

Spergrass said:

I attended the DC later and walked out when that talk came on

Last fall I was at the Special Assembly day just for the afternoon to hear the Bethel speaker as he was from the Branch committee. My wife was out of town so I went by myself. During his final talk he said to safeguard your conscience by simplifying your life. I wondered 'what am I doing here just sitting and listening to something I already know' and I left to help simply my life.