Posts by Rattigan350

a topic on here about 1975 prompted me to write about how, for me, that is and never was or will be an issue.. also, the 144,000 and 'two classes' with memorial partaking, and child abuse are not issues with this religion.

everyone has their unique teachings and personnel problems.. the real problem with this religion was highlighted in the 2008 yearbook.

it gave a story of a young woman who was from estonia who was on the equivalent of american idol for estonia.

Rattigan350

A topic on here about 1975 prompted me to write about how, for me, that is and never was or will be an issue.

Also, the 144,000 and 'two classes' with memorial partaking, and child abuse are not issues with this religion. Everyone has their unique teachings and personnel problems.

The real problem with this religion was highlighted in the 2008 Yearbook. It gave a story of a young woman who was from Estonia who was on the equivalent of American Idol for Estonia. She made it through to go to their Hollywood, but she had a talk scheduled in the Theocratic Ministry School and she wanted to give God priority.

The problem being that people are given no dignity by their talents, goals, asperations, creativity being wasted and people are pushed into being just part magazine, tract, invitation distribution chain, just a cog in the machine, rather than to take advantage of their talents and develop them.

It reminds me of the episode of Star Trek Original Series, the Apple. McCoy said the people are a viable society; then Spock said that they have no initiative no creativity. They just live to serve Vaal. The Witnesses are the same way. They have no creativity, no initiative, and are just content with doing what is termed "serving Jehovah". If somone wants to be a doctor, actor, nuclear physisist, singer or whatever, that one is discouraged about that and is only encouraged to pioneer, i.e. get 70 hours in the door to door to support the organization.

So, all of these other complaints are simply attacks because they don't like something else with the people or religion; but the wasted lives and talents applies and transends to everyone.

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WT Society holds EXTREME Responsibility for 1975 and False Expectations

by flipper in

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however- many jw's who have come into the jw organization from like 1985 forward virtually may have no knowledge of the wt society's 1975 debacle and false predictions of the end times or armageddon predictions.

just like in in the book 1984 by george orwell the wt society has a way of not only erasing it's history so no newer witnesses will be aware of their false predictions, but also they are re-writing their history as if those false predictions never happened.. so for those of you here who may have never read or heard of how whipped up into an emotional frenzy witnesses were in the years just before 1975 by the wt society claiming the end was any day now- this threads for you.

to see the pressure that was put on jw's by the wt society to get rid of everything before " armageddon " .

Rattigan350

You know what???

I really don't care about 1975 or anything about such prophetic accusations.

NOT RELEVANT AND NOT IMPORTANT.

I don't see why anyone else care either.

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The CO asked for money tonight at the meeting.

by life is to short in

i was shocked i do not know why as i have read that the co's were doing this but to hear it with my own ears was unbelievable.

i do not go to the meetings but my husband still does and this week is the co's visit.

i decided that i would listen in to his talk; i swear i have lost some brain cells by doing it but anywho.. he started out by talking about the old story that has been in the wt many times about a little boy who was seven and raised a chicken and gave the money to the society.

Rattigan350

The constant 'Deficit' at every Circuit Assembly was really annoying, expecially when it was fabricated by manipulation- send more to the Wt. than is in the coffers, then guilt trip the faithful to cover the loss.

That always bothers me. Why are they resolving to donate to the WWW while there is a deficit? Answer: Because they know that people will think that is good and hear the word deficit and make up for it.

And they know that the purpose of the assemblies is to get that donation to the WWW and all of the elders will OK it.

Reminds me of how my congregation in former city was looking for land. They had it surveyed. They had a resolution asking if the invoice for work done should be paid. I thought 'duh, if the work has been done it has to be paid'. Like going to a restaurant and having a resolution as to whether the bill is paid. Dumb.

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What if you say you don't believe or trust in God anymore?

by Rattigan350 in

people here have commented how in judicial meetings, they are asked if they believe that the gb or wts is god's representative or the fds is used by god.. what if you say you don't believe in god anymore because of all of the bad things happening around the world and god does nothing.. representatives of a god that does nothing, would also do nothing so how could one believe in them?.

Rattigan350

People here have commented how in judicial meetings, they are asked if they believe that the GB or WTS is God's representative or the FDS is used by God.

What if you say you don't believe in God anymore because of all of the bad things happening around the world and God does nothing.

Representatives of a God that does nothing, would also do nothing so how could one believe in them?

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New Stupid Assembly Rules

by WTWizard in

i have heard on this discussion board numerous rules that apply to upcoming a$$emblies.

some are designed to stop people from meeting the opposite sex; others, to make sure everyone is always ready to recruit new members into the scam.

i heard that some km inserts have been urging those whose congregation has cleaning assignments to sit in the section that they are assigned to clean.

Rattigan350

"The One Towel Rule"

Why use towels at all?

Wash hands, rinse, and let the air dry or leave them wet. That way when someone tries to shake hands, they can shake a wet hand.

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The CO asked for money tonight at the meeting.

by life is to short in

i was shocked i do not know why as i have read that the co's were doing this but to hear it with my own ears was unbelievable.

i do not go to the meetings but my husband still does and this week is the co's visit.

i decided that i would listen in to his talk; i swear i have lost some brain cells by doing it but anywho.. he started out by talking about the old story that has been in the wt many times about a little boy who was seven and raised a chicken and gave the money to the society.

Rattigan350

People, The CO's Tuesday and Sunday talks lalely are recycled District convention talks since the Society does not trust them with preparing their own. Thursday's talks are still their own.

This one is from the 2011 DC Will You Make Sacrifices for the Kingdom?

Pennies, dimes. This does not make sense.

When Jehovah helped the Israelites cross the Red Sea, that spread around to the nations. Even in Rahab's time they knew of Jehovah's victories with Israel. He did great things for them.

But now; Jehovah providing is finding some change in the couch cushions, or an envelope to cover some expenses.

As one person said:"

Why doesnt jehovah just give them next weeks lotto numbers ?

One would expect Jehovah to do great and wonderful things, but where is that? How can we give glory to God?

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Forum Owner and Member Integrity

by Simon in

some people recently raised concerns about security of the site relating to whether forum members could be watchtower plants trying to obtain information about people.

apparently, this was because a previous forum that was setup was either owned by or later handed over to someone who used it to collect personal information about people which was then used to harrass them.

i don't know all the details, i'm just paraphrasing what i've heard and recognize that it's a concern to some people.. i want to first of all put people's minds at rest: i've been running this site for what will be 13 years next month.

Rattigan350

One problem with this site's integrity and privacy is that, some users go their companies' proxy servers, and those proxies will give warnings of malicious site for the advertising on the pages. Those may get higher visibility to those running the proxies and sites like this may get filtered by those proxies. People's browsing would not be as clean and transparent then and red flags may be generated. The user's ID would be logged.

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John Aquila Brown ?

by eva luna in

i was wondering if anyone has a pdf of the book,.

'the even tide' by.

john aquila brown.. it is out of print it seems.

Rattigan350

" Russell then ran with it 50 years later and gave it a starting point of 606 B.C... "

No, it was Nelson Barbour that changed the destruction of Jerusalem from 586 to 606.

The Gentile times was already considered to be from 606 to around 1914 prior to Nelson barbour.

Barbour just moved the destruction of Jerusalem and Russell followed that.