"there is a symposium with a talk about "human apostates" that is very slanderous and defamatory and has the ex-jw blogosphere up in arms over it.".
if a person doesn't fit the description outlined in this talk, the talk isn't referring to you.. .
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Not so fast.
One thing that I noticed is that it says apostates stop and discourage the preaching work.
However the point of that statement is that the preachers are their sales force. One way to not get people to drop off the sales force, is to get them to believe that stopping or slowing down is a sign of apostacy and they don't want that.
It's all about keeping the sales force active.
The point, Giordano, is that they are hypocrites just loving the titles for the congregation's sake but going against it the rest of the time when it does not suit them. Maybe you had such a simple life that it would not factor in.
I said wife, because you would not know what they are like at home otherwise.
She said to me that we will never get ahead in this system. So, typical, blaming the system and not the actions of an anchor just dragging us down.
When I was single, I was ahead.
a customer on my route with whom i have had some lively debates was his number 1 complaint is that "the witnesses have so many rules".
last month i agreed with on this issue.
he asked why the change, i told him that i have been doing some soul searching.
Something that is right is right because it is right, not because the Watchtower or the Bible says so.
And vice versa.
I started this thread because my PW has been making congregation territory wall maps and for their cards. They are paying for that. While she was traveling from the KH after a congregat's memorial service to where they had the get together, she got a speeding ticket (I was glad I had to work that day until that happened, made it so I worked for nothing.) Thereafter she stated that she needed a new computer for her designing. I told her, no you have to save for your ticket. She bought one without asking me (It was a good deal anyway). Now the credit cards are maxed.
Today the bossman called me in to work. The convention at least twice mentioned that we should not miss meetings for work or overtime. I saw screw that, hypocrites. Listening to what they say, pulls one out of the faith more than direct negative talk.
The Pioneer Wife:
In Public -
She is active in service,
used in demonstrations and other meeting parts,
helps at Kingdom Hall builds and other projects,
There for all of the social occasions,
At home -
Disrespects husband of any status,
runs up the credit card,
neglects the home,
teaches the kids only to count time.
i'm really interested in this question because i've heard for years that if you forgo further education and go pioneering, when you have a family down the track you will get a good job because jehovah will provide for you because you pioneered.
as long as i was a kool-aid drinker, even then, i thought, "how does pioneering pay your bills?
surely education should come first.
I followed their counsel on marrying only in the Lord and I got screwed for that financially. and every other way.
just yesterday at the airport i dropped my wallet coming out of a shop and a very kind man picked it up and ran up to me and asked "excuse me is this yours?
" to which i gave a startled but relieved reply of "yes, thankyou very much!"..
i was amazed by his honesty & kindness for doing this deed and wondered for a moment what would have happened if he'd have put it in his pocket instead.
Yes and no. I have been looking at the things that humans have created and how that is the purpose in life.
But No, the fact the government of the people is too heavy handed and there is no mercy or caring out ther.
hi there, this is my first post, but i've been buzzing around this site for years.. i got married at 18, hubby was 20, i was a regular pioneer and we were talking about serving in bethel.
fast forward - i left in 2004 after a 5 year battle with my conscience, family and friends who kept insisting that i was just "weak and needed to have another bible study".
however hubby and i stayed together although it was kinda on the understanding that we would just not talk about it.
walls of jericho said "Divorce is not unscriptural".
That is incorrect. Besides my hating that word 'scriptural', it does say that Jehovah is hating a divorce so he does not want that.
It is just that legal action does not break the marriage ties. But when one has sex with another that breaks the ties because it forms new ones.
That is what happened in Israel. They didn't have weddings. They had sex and that made them married.
So by Jesus' words, the divorce would make the one feel free to remarry but that would not not be free. Then that 2nd marriage would break the first bonds and form new ones. It would not be an adulterous marriage as there is no such thing. Only that moment was adulterous.
in acts 7:59, the jews were casting stones at stephen and his last words were, "lord jesus, receive my spirit.".
the wts has contended that all of the ancients who died after jesus were in a sleep-like condition, awaiting a resurrection that eventually happened in 1918-1919 (depending upon which wt reference you are looking at).
and in fact, v. 60 says stephen "fell asleep in death".
What makes one think that Stephen or anyone else inthe first century knew anything to be considered right about such subjects?
Stephen was not an inspired prophet.
Stephen was just a guy who was not good at dodgeball.
i received the following explanation in favor of the date of 607 bce.
accepted comments on the points at issue.. .
conclusion.
'"genile times' is an ultimately meaningless term rooted in allegory and folklore."
That may be true, but I was addressing how they are barking up the wrong tree on this oft argued and misconstrued issue.
