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  John Cedar Confronts his Jehovah's Witnesses Elder Father on the UN/NGO scandal

  by Scott77 in

  1. social
  2. humour

  my father (who is an elder) hasnt been abusive, but he has reaffirmed that he will be shunning us the moment things become official.

  we spent a few days vacation together in picturesque northern croatia before i sat him down and attempted to explain my position.

  after i revealed the information on the un/ngo scandal to dad by showing him newspaper articles from 2001, he was initially nauseous and didnt want to hear any more.

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  Rattigan350

  "smart one in bible sense not wanting to scritinize his own religion"

  Except that there is no scandal here and this is not about religion.
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  How many Un-Believing Mates (UBMs) are on here?

  by The Song Remains The Same in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this site really helps.. own up, are you a ubm and how do you cope?.

  i am really struggling to put up with all the nonsense.

  my wife has some mental health issues which are not solved at all.

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  I am working today and since my wife took her turn in Words with Friends during the meeting time, that means she did not go.

  Yippeee. Save gas and maybe get some cleaning done.

  That is one thing that drove me away. Being married to a pioneer, one who is supposed to set an example in hard work and cleanliness, but yet puts the meetings and FS and projects for others above keeping our stuff clean and organized is hypocritical. Plus pioneers are supposed to be simple, not needing the latest gadgets to run up the bills. It is all a social game that I won't participate in.
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  How can I stay motivated for field ministry?

  by jgnat in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  thus asks my beloved and slow-on-the-uptake jw hubby, who is finding it increasingly difficult to drag himself out the door.

  so far, i've tried to avoid sarcastic comebacks (i'ts boring and useless!

  duh!

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  Fernando wrote:

  "Would you like to study the "good news" according to Paul with me? Would it be OK to start with the book of Romans dear?

  I heard that more than half the Bible's references to "good news" are by Paul - do you think it is true dear?"

  That is what turned me off because I can't stand Paul and how everyone looks to him and his writings as something great. Paul was not a prophet, he was just a guy who studied Israel history. He is and was not the leader of the Christian congregation.
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  Survey: Who Here Believe In God/The Bible? Who Are Not Sure? Who Do Not Believe?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think there are many that still want to believe in a god but just aren't sure.. personally, do you believe in a god?.

  are you a "spiritual" person?.

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  Rattigan350

  I believe in God and the Bible. I don't think that God cares about us and I am tired of the Bible.
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  We are in God's "image" but God's morality is repugnant

  by yadda yadda 2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the bible says in genesis that god made human beings in his "image".. this means that christians believe human beings were made with certain attributes that they share with god.

  attributes such as intelligence, creativity, an appreciation of beauty, and sharing a similar set of cardinal moral and spiritual values around love, justice, mercy, etc.. this linked article explains it from a christian perspective more fully.http://www.relevantmagazine.com/god/deeper-walk/features/23549-qmade-in-the-image-of-godq.

  and yet....we find in the old testament that god performs or endorses the most morally repugnant acts, such as ethnic cleansing, killing infants and children, causing famines and plagues, drowning the entire human population except eight persons, etc, etc - all actions that any reasonable and objectively sane person naturally finds morally incomprehensible, disgusting, evil.. this article here outlines some of the actions described in the ot that any normal, sane person would naturally find morally abhorrent:http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/raymond_bradley/moral.html.

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  I'm just commenting on the definitions of the words used.

  Morals are not a fixed concept, it changes from time to time, place to place, people to people. That is why laws based on morality are unconstitutional.

  God has no morality.
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  We are in God's "image" but God's morality is repugnant

  by yadda yadda 2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the bible says in genesis that god made human beings in his "image".. this means that christians believe human beings were made with certain attributes that they share with god.

  attributes such as intelligence, creativity, an appreciation of beauty, and sharing a similar set of cardinal moral and spiritual values around love, justice, mercy, etc.. this linked article explains it from a christian perspective more fully.http://www.relevantmagazine.com/god/deeper-walk/features/23549-qmade-in-the-image-of-godq.

  and yet....we find in the old testament that god performs or endorses the most morally repugnant acts, such as ethnic cleansing, killing infants and children, causing famines and plagues, drowning the entire human population except eight persons, etc, etc - all actions that any reasonable and objectively sane person naturally finds morally incomprehensible, disgusting, evil.. this article here outlines some of the actions described in the ot that any normal, sane person would naturally find morally abhorrent:http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/raymond_bradley/moral.html.

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  Do you actually know what moral means?

  "of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior"

  It comes from the word "morae' " which means a custom.

  If killing things and sacrificing them is the custom, then it is moral. If having many wives or husbands is the custom, it is more.

  That is why I hate how they use the phrase "Bible morality". That simply means what is customary for those in the Bible, which covers 4000 years.

  There have been many customs over that time.
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  YOU WILL NEVER SEE THESE ACTS EVER MENTIONED IN A WATCHTOWER PUBLICATION

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  faking of hours in field service or dragging service time out by making coffee stops or driving for hours "between" household contacts are never frowned upon, let alone mentioned, in the publications.

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  yet, in each congregation of jehovah's witnesses, to one degree or another, faking hours, padding time out with coffee stops and long journeys between opportunities to "witness" are endemic practices..

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  The whole purpose of counting and reporting time was that back in the day, pioneers would get literature and meal tickets at a discount and also meetings with the CO and other things.

  It was a means to keep them, and others, honest toward those things that people got.

  But now there is no discounts as everything is free, so why does anyone care about reporting time at all.
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  Feb. 2014 WT , whats this all about???

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  read this in another thread,,,,,,,,,feb 2014 wt.

  there, they cast doubt on the application of daniel's 70 weeks prophecy to being fulfilled with christ.. "could the first-century jews have calculated the time of the messiahs arrival on the basis of the prophecy of the 70 weeks recorded at daniel 9:24-27 ?

  while that possibility cannot be ruled out, it cannot be confirmed.

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  I haven't read the article but based on your quote:

  "While that possibility cannot be ruled out, it cannot be confirmed. The fact is that there were many conflicting interpretations of the 70 weeks in Jesus’ day"

  It is simply saying that one can not say what they believed back then. Nothing controversial about that.

  We get the formula from Daniel. 483 years ends in Jesus' baptism, then the last 7 years, half the week was his death, then it fully ended in 36 CE.

  It adds up. Nothing controversial about this prophesy and fulfillment at all.
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  Why do we dress up for Meetings? - This weeks Cong Bible study

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  because the gb say so, and they are guided by hs.. anyother offers from the brochure?

  kate xx.

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  Rattigan350

  Because that is respectful.

  and Blondie, who would want to see pants on sisters. Show off the legs.
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  Question for believers: on which Heavenly "Day" did God create humans?

  by adamah in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  simple question here on genesis chronology and how god counts heavenly days (jws seemingly believe in a conversion factor of 'one god day is equal to 1,000 human years', based on 2nd peter).. genesis 2:1-2 says this (niv):.

  1 thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.. 2 by the seventh day god had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.

  3 then god blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.. day seven was the sabbath, the day of rest from all work, specifically from engaging in creative activities (jews observe the sabbath specifically because of the words found in genesis 2:2).. however, god's not quite done creating things, since genesis continues with this, on day eight (8), the day after the sabbath:.

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  Rattigan350

  "Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth a and no plant had yet sprung up" That means that they have not grown from the rain. There was a spring that watered everything. It did not say that plants had not existed or were not created by then, but the condition pre flood.

  Genesis 2 is an overview of Gen 1. Gen 2:7 is the same time as 1:26.