Posts by Rattigan350

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The JEWS did not believe in a heavenly paradise...

by DATA-DOG in

that's what a speaker at the kh said.

he also said that "paradise" in the bible is always earthly.

i have reviewed jwfacts again here:.

Rattigan350

Of course Jews did not believe in the heavenly resurrection. It was not taught until Jesus taught the kingdom of the heavens. Where would they get it from?

They had an earthly kingdom, an earthly king, earthly priests, earthly sacrifices. That was sufficient for them. But they had a promise to be a kingdom and priests.

Jesus introduced a new way. A kingdom in heavenly Jerusalem, with him as king and it was later shown that there would be 144,000 Israelites of the spirit would would join him. That had to be new otherwise what would the purpose for Jesus be?

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Proof the anointed aren't being resurrected yet.....

by EndofMysteries in

the society teaches that since around 1919 the anointed who have died and do die, are resurrected as spirit creatures.

the only one to be resurrected as a spirit that is documented in the bible is jesus.

when jesus was resurrected, did he appear to his disciples yet his body was still buried?

Rattigan350

1914 as the enthronement of Jesus is sound. 2520 years, or 7 times after the kings in the line of David lost their sovereignty, not the destruction of Jerusalem. People may pick apart parts of it, but when they look at it overall, it is sound.

As for the trumpets, and bowls - the stuff in Revelation is speculation and too much focusing on them. As well as the two witnesses applying to the ones that went to prison. But then I don't have a problem with that. Back then it was an 'us vs them(false religon)' issue, which was cool. Looking at the ministry that way was fun. Now it is an 'us vs us' issue which is the problem with the religion.

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I may not be able to hold the status quo for longer!

by ILoveTTATT in

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today my mom called me three times at work to tell me how "worried" she was about my spirituality.. i so wanted to tell her some ttatt but just said, "mom, i am fine spiritually.

if i am ever in trouble spiritually, i will tell you.

meanwhile, i would really appreciate it if you left my relationship with god a private matter.".

Rattigan350

Tell her to define spirituality.

" if you left my relationship with God a private matter."

Where does this whole idea of a relationship with God come from? Sure Jesus is supposed to bridge the gap, the division, between Jehovah

and sinful humans, so humans can have a relationship with Jehovah where they could not before. But that is the theological principle of the atonement, not a 'you must do' thing.

"(I haven't hung out with a single JW friend in months, possibly a year or more"

Tell her you don't have time for hanging around people. More important things like career and making money.

But avoid doing what Island Man said and bringing up the False prophet and Pedophile issues. Don't make it an 'attack the Watchtower' issue, make it a 'It's my life and I want to take it back and live it' issue.

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Does anyone know the curent understanding on Chess for JWs?

by BU2B in

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i seem to remember chess was frowned upon by some jws.

is this like the oral/anal sex policy?

just ignore it and hope it goes away...

Rattigan350

There is no understanding on Chess. Just because the Awake had an article on something, does not make it an understanding. I mean, for real? Do people follow what is written on everything? I've never been one to care what the Awake said.

And because it has war strategies, does it make it bad? The bad part of war is that it destroys properties and civilians. Chess does not have those.

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Inaccurate hours recorded

by snare&racket in

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ignoring the fact that all but the super jw's had a random stab at hours done in the ministry, with all the different activities the society said counted as ministry hours, just how accurate is there annual report?.

what activities do you know of that were allowed to be counted as ministry time?

here are some i knew of.... .

Rattigan350

Pioneers could count hours spent in Quick builds or Bethel temp work, up to 90 (when I was pioneering) and now 70 for the month. They couldn't stock pile it.

The reason was that pioneers would not assist if they couldn't count they time to get their quota.

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Interesting talk ith wife

by DS211 in

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my wife expresssd to me as we watched a movie that she really loves how those in christianity dont have to meet requirements to become baptised.

she stated the it seems morenin line with the scriptures.

i agreed with her and brought up the story of cornelius and his family baptised the night he saw paul in the prison cell.

Rattigan350

@crazyguy "show your wife that all who believe in christ are sons of god an all anointed".

But that is not true. Only 144,000 are anointed. Because if all who believe are anointed as sons of God, what is the purpose?

Back in Israel only kings and priests were anointed. The rest were people who lived their lives without rulership and priestly duties.

The same with Christianity. Only 144,000 are anointed with holy spirit as sons of God. The rest just live their lives.

Let's review: JW theology is right, their worship of the organization is wrong.

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How to Resist Peer Pressure

by Oubliette in

the irony is just too great, i simply couldn't resist:.

when you cave in to peer pressure, you become like a mindless robot because you allow other people to control you.

why let them have that kind of power?romans 6:16.

Rattigan350

They teach not to be rebelious, but the way to resist peer pressure is to be a rebel.

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Need help!!!! My wife has a part on whether Christ was raised a spirit body...

by DS211 in

i need to take this opportunity to plant a seed of truth to my wufe.

remember subtlety is key!

her part is was jesus raised a spirit body?.

Rattigan350

What is the problem? Jesus did not go to heaven in his physical body.

Just like in the movie Gravity, humans can not live outside the atmosphere of the earth without spacesuits. Jesus did not have a space suit on.

Thus when Jesus was ascending up, he disappeared from that "rented" body as he was a spirit being as he was before he became a human.

Why do people have such difficulty with this subject?

And Perry, you are giving Baptist theology. By definition and nature, Baptist theology is wrong. They take the Bible too literally without putting any thought into it. Thinking is not part of their theology.

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Proof the anointed aren't being resurrected yet.....

by EndofMysteries in

the society teaches that since around 1919 the anointed who have died and do die, are resurrected as spirit creatures.

the only one to be resurrected as a spirit that is documented in the bible is jesus.

when jesus was resurrected, did he appear to his disciples yet his body was still buried?

Rattigan350

You all are mistaken.

Jesus died. Since he was not God, he was truly dead. Not existant from Nisan 14-16. Nisan 16 he was resurrected as the prophecy said. The tomb was empty because he body was offered to Jehovah as a sacrifice. He was raised (not rose or risen) by Jehovah as a spirit being as he was before he became a human. He had a spirit body in heaven, not a physical one.

Jesus appeared to people to prove to them that resurrections take place. He could not be resurrected in the same body because the kingdom is in the heavens, not earth. Thus he rules from the heavens as a spirit being.

Perry quoted Paul "For believers, "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord". What does Paul know? He was not a prophet. He had incomplete thoughts on matters. I hate that phrase because it just draws people in on the "present with the Lord". If you all complain that the WTS hold the carrot of the paradise in front of people with no fulfillment, then that phrase is worse. It holds the carrot of being with the Lord in front of people with no proof of fulfillment.

3.5 years after the kingdom was established in 1914, the resurrection commenced. We have no appearances to prove that. But there is no interaction between them and humans from Jesus and the resurrected ones. That is not the WTS fault.

JW theology is sound and based on Biblical precedent. No need to attack it. The problem is that they leverage this theology to build a cult. The thought is that God will punish people who don't follow them, but first I would say that God must do more and better interaction with the world before we worry about rules of a cultic group.

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A Different View of "Peace and Security"

by Bobcat in

since the wt this week has the prediction of a "peace and security" event, i thought i would include a comment from the new american commentary (nac, d. michael martin, pp.159-60) on 1 thessalonians 5:2, 3.. here is the wt's position, according to this week's wt study (sep 2012 study edition, pp.3 4):.

1 th 5:2, 3 is a "future development.".

it happens "just before that day of jehovah.".

Rattigan350

There are many things wrong with their position on this.

1. It is not a prophesy as Paul was not a prophet.

2. A declaration of Peace and Security would only mean something when there has been no peace. But there has been peace for many decades. What significance is this "declaration"?

3. This was referring to Jerusalem's destruction in 70Ce, not our day. There is no Jerusalem under attack today.

For decades Witnesses have been getting excited when the pope or president says "peace and security., it hasn't meant anything.