Posts by Rattigan350

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My report from the "trying my patience" DC

by nowwhat? in

embedded in the cleveland ohio convention.

pre covid attendance was always 7k+ this year 4500.. 37baptised mixed bag.

less then half were children.. as far as patience goes, it can certainly help you be a better person when dealing with others but needless to say, this having patience waiting for jehovah is pure b.s.!

Rattigan350

" it`s not Jehovah who comes to their rescue ,but Satans world who bails them out ."

That's not the case.

Revelation says that the earth meaning the people come to the rescue of God's people.

Also Jehovah uses the nations for his purposes such as how he used Babylon and Roman armies to destroy Jerusalem and will use the nations to destroy false religion. Rev 17:17 For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast.

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Luke 23:43 the NWT

by Ade in

luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

Rattigan350

I did a search on John 3:13 and there is a biblical question/answer site.

The writer says "Jesus was not teaching that no one had ever gone to heaven before. Obviously, the Old Testament saints had gone to heaven (or paradise) when they died (Mark 12:26-27), and Enoch and Elijah had been taken there without dying".

It seems that understanding Jesus is beyond the skills of many. If the Old Testament saints when to heaven when they died, then what is the meaning of John 14:6 "Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." If OT saints went to heaven, then Jesus is/was not the Way. They didn't need him to get to the father.

When Jehovah said he is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, I am the God of the living", he wasn't stating that they are alive, but that he had the ability to give them life. as vs 24 said "you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God?" Jesus said "When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage" indicating future tense.

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Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some areas that i have found:.

not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

Rattigan350

"Stephen talked to Jesus. "As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”" (Acts 7:59)"

That is not talking to Jesus. Stephen shouted out that. Jesus didn't answer.

"Paul talked to Jesus. "He asked: “Who are you, Lord?” He said: “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting."" (Acts 9:5)""

Yes, there was an actual conversation going on.

But the point is, Jesus is not the hearer of prayer because he said to approach the father in his, Jesus' name. Prayers are offerings as incense and only the priest offers the incense to God. The people don't offer incense to the priest. The priest is a middleman.

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Luke 23:43 the NWT

by Ade in

luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

Rattigan350

Seabreeze. Minority text? Majority text?

I think the main thing is that if it does not make sense, then it does not make sense... for a reason. Because it is not true.

Same with "Name of the Father, son and holy spirit"

People call the Bible, infallible word of God. But it isn't.

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[GOOD NEWS] My PIMI wife became PIMQ!

by psyco in

after a few years, unexpectedly, my pimi wife became pimq.. today she even asked me a question that i found very interesting:.

if god has been anointing women to be part of the kings and priests over humankind, why cannot they currently rule and guide 8 million people being part of the governing body (acquiring experience in that role as well)?.

Rattigan350

"why cannot they currently rule and guide 8 million people being part of the Governing Body"

Because after resurrection they are no longer men or women.

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Watching the show

by Teddnzo in

i’m new to apostate stuff but have gone deep down a few rabbit holes of late so want to see both sides to everything .

im going to a congregation but am viewed as a bit of a black sheep because i question lots of things but not enough to cause too much trouble.. i’m intrigued watching the show.

in my heart i’m pretty sure the governing body are fakes and charlatans.. the entire thing is a big con game.

Rattigan350

Nicolau said "The Flood? The Passover? The commands to Joshua to annihilate everyone enroute to the Promised Land?"

Why are people against God killing the ones against his purpose? The definition of God means he has the power of life and death. He's doing what he is supposed to do.

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Watching the show

by Teddnzo in

i’m new to apostate stuff but have gone deep down a few rabbit holes of late so want to see both sides to everything .

im going to a congregation but am viewed as a bit of a black sheep because i question lots of things but not enough to cause too much trouble.. i’m intrigued watching the show.

in my heart i’m pretty sure the governing body are fakes and charlatans.. the entire thing is a big con game.

Rattigan350

"Which (You mean what) are the top several points that prove JWs wrong?"

There is nothing that proves that JWs are wrong. The problem is that they are carrying out the process of Christianity improperly.

Doctrinally JWs are sound.

The problem is that they are trying to be a political party in themselves.

They only help themselves when disaster strikes, and don't help others.

JWs have love for themselves with ones from opposing nations and tribes but how is it that the Hutus and Tutsis are the only example that they constantly repeat?

There is just too much on obedience to where it makes them pharisees. The thing is, Jehovah just doesn't care

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Luke 23:43 the NWT

by Ade in

luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

Rattigan350

Sea Breeze The KJV says that but many others do not.

NKJV - “No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. [ftn] NU-Text omits who is in heaven.

NIV - No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.

ESV - No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. The footnote says "Some manuscripts add who is in heaven"

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Luke 23:43 the NWT

by Ade in

luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

Rattigan350

The reason that this saying sits high with alot of people is not because of punctuation, but because people have the Oprah mentality.

You get to go to heaven.

People not only want all Christians to go to heaven, but they want all of Jesus' contemporaries that looked at him, the non-baptized ones, the prechristians like Moses, Elijah, and many others.

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Luke 23:43 the NWT

by Ade in

luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

Rattigan350

Fisherman said " The Bible says that Jesus was dead for 3 days so obviously the NWT comma is in the right place because Jesus did not go to paradise that day."

Right. It is so simple. People worry about commas and ignore the greater understanding of what dead is.