Posts by Rattigan350

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Is Watchtower totally off base on Armageddon?

by Vanderhoven7 in

to me it is quite evident that the gt spoken about in matthew 24, mark 13 and luke 21 is a one time, non-repeatable localized event resulting in the destruction of jerusalem and the temple followed by the dispersion of surviving jews throughout the nations.. however, what is not so clear to most is that the gt of revelation deals with the same event.

my understanding is that the gb of jehovah witnesses has no clue as to how to interpret the apocalyptic messages found both in the synoptics and revelation.

but steve greg has armageddon down pat.

Rattigan350

Bethsarim "Since He's already been here once and the 2nd coming is yet to happen."

There is no second coming of Jesus. Why would there be? There is no reason for it.

Sure he said to his apostles that he will return, but think about it. What good is telling them that he will return 2000 years later when they are not here? That's the problem, people don't think. They just see words and grab them. Jesus is returning or coming back and they adhere to that.
But that's not how it works.

John 14:2 "for I am going my way to prepare a place for you. Also, if I go my way and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will receive you home to myself, so that where I am you also may be."

Jesus said to the apostles that he will come again, but after he is killed, raised as a spirit and ascended and sat at his father's right hand. Then at some point he prepares a place for them., That was when he cast Satan and the demons from heaven. Then that allows for the resurrection to start.

So Jesus comes again (to them, the ones to whom he was speaking) by resurrecting them to him.

And Blahi, Where does it say "that every eye would see him"?

Oh, the same place where it says "those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him." Didn't those who pierced him die 2000 years ago? So this can not be taken literally. So why are you taking "Every eye will see him" literally?

Come on people. Be consistent here.

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WHEN WILL THE ANOINTED BE TAKEN TO HEAVEN

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/sptboe8_kuc?si=cnb837qqdlm1glx0.

this is a question that has preoccupied the minds of the governing body " when will the last anointed be taken up to heaven?

" when did this nonsense begin ?

Rattigan350

Then anointed will not be taken to heaven. They have to die and be resurrected as a spirit being.

No one goes to heaven or is taken to heaven. Death is required.

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Is Watchtower totally off base on Armageddon?

by Vanderhoven7 in

to me it is quite evident that the gt spoken about in matthew 24, mark 13 and luke 21 is a one time, non-repeatable localized event resulting in the destruction of jerusalem and the temple followed by the dispersion of surviving jews throughout the nations.. however, what is not so clear to most is that the gt of revelation deals with the same event.

my understanding is that the gb of jehovah witnesses has no clue as to how to interpret the apocalyptic messages found both in the synoptics and revelation.

but steve greg has armageddon down pat.

Rattigan350

Why are you looking to youtube ( a bearded man with long hair) for information on prophesies in Revelation.

Do we really know that there will be a Great Tribulation? Jesus mentioned it but just because Jesus said it doesn't mean that it will be that way, afterall he said this generation... He also spoke of a Faithful and Discreet slave.

Revelation 7 speaks of a great crowd of people coming out of a great tribulation but the word 'tribulation' is so vague as to what it means we don't know what it is.

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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

by slimboyfat in

i would suggest:.

the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

Rattigan350

"The Council of Florence affirms"

Why should anyone care what the Council of Florence says?
You all complain about the governing body but these councils are far worse.

"identity of Jesus as the divine Logos. The text explicitly states, "the Word was God", affirming the full divinity of Christ. The absence of the definite article before "theos" in the original Greek is a grammatical feature that emphasizes the qualitative aspect of the Word's divinity, not a denial of His deity."

"it is not a sign of inferiority but a reflection of their eternal relationship within the Godhead." There is no Godhead. That is not even a word.

I notice that so many religious people use big and fancy words that have no meanings and they forget what Tyndale said "“If God spare my life, ere many years I will cause a boy who drives a plough to know more of the scriptures than you do.”".

And we end up knowing more than they do because they are focused on made up words.

The ENGLISH text says "The Word was God". You also mentioned the divine Logos and Word's divinity. That's different from "The Word was God", that is renaming Jesus as the God of old, not relating qualities within him as being a spriit being.

"The doctrine of the Trinity emphasizes that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit share one essence, one divinity, and one power."
This is why it is wrong.

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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

by slimboyfat in

i would suggest:.

the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

Rattigan350

" It means that they have authority to go baptize with the said behind them/supporting them.

It's like saying, STOP, 'in the name of the law'. A policeman can tell a person to STOP with the authority of the law backing him."

That's a copout. Acts 2:28 "Peter said to them: “Repent, and let each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness of your sins"

How did it get changed from 'name of F, S & HS' to just name of Jesus Christ?

I've been reading into Conybeare and his writings and he believes the scripture is spurious.

“Eusebius cites this text again and again in his works written between A.D. 300 and 336, namely in his long commentaries on the Psalms, on Isaiah, his Demonstratio Evangelica, his Theophany ...in his famous history of the Church, and in his panegyric of the emperor Constantine. There are eighteen citations of Matthew xxviii. 19, and always in the following form: “Go ye and make disciples of all the nations in my name, teaching them to observe all things, whatsoever I commanded you.”

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2025 Convention Theme leak

by ukpimo in

according to the next boe letter to be read at next week's midweek meetings in the united states,.

the theme of the convention for next year is.

pure worship.

Rattigan350

"Uninspired songs"

What is an inspired song?

Songs are usually inspired by events.

Gonna Fly Now, theme from Rocky is an inspiring song

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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

by slimboyfat in

i would suggest:.

the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

Rattigan350

aqwsed said
"The accusation that Trinitarians are "idiots in their reasoning" misunderstands how deeply Trinitarians engage with the Scriptures. The doctrine of the Trinity in its crystallized form was developed over centuries of careful study, debate, and reflection on the entire biblical text, not just isolated verses."

Yes, trinitarians are idiots in their reasonings. Because the rely on the weakest, and madeup arguments to support their position and ignore strong reasonings against -

They take something like John 8:58 Jesus said "Before Abraham was, I am" and they take Ex 3:14 where Jehovah said "I am that I am" and think that Jesus was quoting that and applying that to himself which was outside of the context of the conversation. (He was talking about age, not identity and with Abraham which was earlier than Moses)

Now, who was the first person to make that connection? I've been asking people and no one knows. The apostles never made that connection. So who made it? Not joe blow reading the Bible. Some pastor supporting the trinity.

On the other hand take Ps 110:1 ASV "A Psalm of David.

Jehovah saith unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
This was quoted by Jesus, Peter and Paul referring the "Lord" part to him.Mt 22:43, 44; Mr 12:36; Lu 20:42, 43; Ac 2:34, 35; 1Co 15:25; Heb 1:3; Heb 1:13; Heb 10:12, 13
Also Acts 7:56 "Look! I see the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.”"
Showing the application.
But yet trinitarians ignore that.
Why are people arguing for the trinity when that has been proven false since the days of Russell?

Also trinitarians add scriptures such as Rev 1:11, 1 John 5:7 and Matt 28:19

yes, Matt 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" is spurious.

Jesus gave a command but yet there is no record of anyone following through with it. Acts 2:38 "Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,"

In the past 10 days did Peter forget about the name of Father and Holy spirit? Or did Jesus say to baptize in his name only? as Luke 24:45-47 shows "Then he opened up their minds fully to grasp the meaning of the Scriptures, and he said to them, “This is what is written: that the Christ would suffer and rise from among the dead on the third day, and on the basis of his name, repentance for forgiveness of sins would be preached in all the nations—starting out from Jerusalem."

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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

by slimboyfat in

i would suggest:.

the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

Rattigan350

"

Revelation 1:1 shows that Jesus, in His role as the mediator between God and humanity, receives knowledge from God. This aligns with His role in the economy of salvation, not with His divine nature."

You don't need to make up stuff like that. A revelation by Jesus Christ which God gave him. When Jesus was a human, he did not know that only 144,000 would serve in heaven with him. Neither did Paul. Both of their teachings were thus wrong and old light. So that recent Watchtower about whether what Jesus said about the Sodomites was hyperbole is moot.

"Jesus is eternally omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. His divine nature did not change or diminish when He became incarnate. As John 1:1 states, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Jesus, as the Word, is fully God, co-equal and co-eternal with the Father."

No, Jesus is not omnipotent, omniscient or omnipresent and neither is Jehovah God.

John 1:1 is John's word, not God's word. He did not state that the Word was God. Why would he do that? IT was a prologue to a biography, written 65 years after the person's death. If he meant Word was God, why? Because for those 65 years people didn't believe it and he needed to correct that?
Well, in Acts there is no mention of Jesus being God. Quite the opposite all teachings is that Jesus was not God.

So John 1:1c was just John stating that this guy was not some magician but he was a spirit being in heaven prior.

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What would happen to a JW for celebrating Christmas?

by Vanderhoven7 in

mark jones writes:.

if they were spied upon and it was reported to the elders they’d be “invited” to a judicial committee whereupon they’d be cross examined in a locked backroom by three men acting as judge and jury to decide if they are guilty.. .

if the elders decide that they are guilty, they’ll then decide if the person is sorry.

Rattigan350

I, for one, wouldn't listen to Mark Jones because he only attacks JWs but he can't take it when they prove him wrong and he blocks them.

"Shouldn't Christians be encouraged to celebrate Christ's birth every day"

Heck no. His birth was simply a necessity of the time. The Shepherds did the deed at the time. Why would we need to?

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The Question of the "Great Apostasy" and the Historical Continuity of Christianity

by aqwsed12345 in

1. the continuity and visibility of the church.

the true church must be continuous from the apostolic age.

there is no room in christianity for a "gap" or interruption of thousands of years during which true christianity ceased to exist and then was revived in the form of another movement.

Rattigan350

"The true Church must be continuous from the apostolic age. There is no room in Christianity for a "gap" or interruption of thousands of years during which true Christianity ceased to exist and then was revived in the form of another movement"

That is definitely not true.

Jesus said in Matt 13 that there would be wheat Christians and when the sower (Jesus and the apostles) died off then weeds would overrun them. After that the differences would not be recognizable. Then in the time of the harvest, the last days the weeds would be discernable from the wheat.

That is what happened. When Russell and the later ones moved toward the truth, the wheat became discernable from the false Christian weeds.