Posts by Rattigan350

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From AFriend!2025RegionalConventionVideos!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

if you wish to download these videos for "free", then click on (slow download) when you get to the site.

the entire file folder is 8 gigabytes and will take about an hour to fully download in the slow download mode.

there is not much time left.. *****************.

Rattigan350

I had to laugh.

One of the Warwick speakers is named Mike Reno.

I was born to run
I was born to dream
The craziest boy you ever seen
I gotta do it my way
Or no way at all

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From AFriend!2025RegionalConventionVideos!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

if you wish to download these videos for "free", then click on (slow download) when you get to the site.

the entire file folder is 8 gigabytes and will take about an hour to fully download in the slow download mode.

there is not much time left.. *****************.

Peaceful Pete: "why would recovering and former JWs want to expose themselves to hours of manipulative propaganda."

Maybe because you are the one that is labeling it manipulative propaganda and not everyone who views it.

Do you think that it is healthy to follow your labels?

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The End of the Times of the Gentiles and the Restoration of the Kingdom

by EisMe in

the end of the times of the gentiles and the restoration of the kingdom.

the final stage of god’s plan on earth.

the fulfillment of prophecy: the end of the gentile age.

Rattigan350

"God has promised that David’s throne will be reestablished upon the earth:"

You are wrong here.

The throne is in heaven.

How is it that everyone ignores Heb 12:22 where it says Heavenly Jerusalem??

The government will be in heaven and the people will be on earth.

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You Could Be Stuck in a University When Your Parent Dies. Convention Day 2 Video

by liam in

the governing body is going all out at this years convention.

they are still discouraging university education.

i guess the end must be real close .

Rattigan350

But would a person trained as an electrician want to do the wider range of career options that the degree would offer?

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Things Rutherford got wrong that Fred Franz had to clear up

by slimboyfat in

i was interested by the suggestion in a recent discussion that rutherford was in some way preferable to fred franz, because i’ve not come across this view before.

it made me rethink my assumptions and try to work out why i hold the opposite view and prefer fred franz to rutherford.

i haven’t done any additional research, so i’m only drawing on what i can remember off the top of my head, but i thought i’d list a few things where i reckon fred franz’s approach was preferable to rutherford.

Rattigan350

Of course Fred Franz was behind the blood ban.

Consider the w64 2/15 p. 127

"Would it be a violation of the Scriptures for a Christian to permit a veterinarian to give blood transfusions to a pet? And what of animal food? May it be used if there is reason to believe there is blood in it? Also, is it permissible to use fertilizer that has blood in it?"

That has Fred Franz written all over it.

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You Could Be Stuck in a University When Your Parent Dies. Convention Day 2 Video

by liam in

the governing body is going all out at this years convention.

they are still discouraging university education.

i guess the end must be real close .

Rattigan350

Why is this even an issue? It's been settled by the world.

This is what AI says on the subject "Trade schools and universities offer different paths to higher education. Trade schools focus on hands-on training for specific trades, while universities provide a broader academic education with opportunities for research and diverse knowledge. Trade schools are typically shorter and more affordable, allowing for quicker entry into the workforce. Universities offer longer programs leading to degrees and a wider range of career options. "

Trades VS College : r/HVAC

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Things Rutherford got wrong that Fred Franz had to clear up

by slimboyfat in

i was interested by the suggestion in a recent discussion that rutherford was in some way preferable to fred franz, because i’ve not come across this view before.

it made me rethink my assumptions and try to work out why i hold the opposite view and prefer fred franz to rutherford.

i haven’t done any additional research, so i’m only drawing on what i can remember off the top of my head, but i thought i’d list a few things where i reckon fred franz’s approach was preferable to rutherford.

Rattigan350

"2. Rutherford insisted on the rather forced reading of Romans 13 that the “superior authorities” are not governments but Jesus and Jehovah. That was a pretty incredible claim that Franz had to walk back while maintaining neutrality as a principle that is not dependent on this forced reading of this passage."

I don't agree here. Rutherford read that for the times that he went through. To him at that time, how could the governments be the superior authorities when they were doing evil things to him and the other Bible Students?

Russell was too liberal. Rutherford went the other way and was too conservative. Franz/Knorr put it in balance in the center.

TonusOH said "He didn't clean everything up (such as restoring a lot of holidays and religious observances)"

Why would Franz restore holidays? Franz was a hardliner for obedience too. He was the one responsible for no blood because he thought that obedience was necessary.

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Self control fruits of the spirit. Fat GB seem to lack it

by JohnR1975 in

fruits of the spirit would surely be required to be gb members?

yet some of them seem to lack self control when it comes to eating.

br herd, mark sanderson and br jackson in these are all very obese.. if they travel to poor places wearing their rolex watches and gold pinky rings the brothers there will surely wonder why they are so fat.. there are many scriptures talking about not being greedy and not gluttonous for food.. if they were really chosen by god as his channel on earth then why can’t they show the fruits of the spirit and show self control when it comes to being gluttonous?.

Rattigan350

Seabreeze - The Governing body members are not the leaders of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Jesus is the leader. The GB are just overseers of the worldwide congregation.

Why do people focus on these men so much?

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Question for JW's: Is Jesus the Mediator of Your Prayers ?

by Sea Breeze in

praying to god “through the son jesus” has nothing to do with christ as mediator.. do jw's even know what a mediator does?.

i am in the insurance restoration construction business and have been in mediation many times when a policy holder sues an insurance company for not paying everything they believe is due them under the terms of their policy for property damage.. i am brought in as a technical expert.. in mediation, the plaintiff (policy holder) and the defendant (insurance company) are placed in separate rooms, they do not talk to each other.

they are separated because the dispute has alienated the one from the other.

Rattigan350

"speak directly to Jesus as did Stephen and John."

Stephen and John saw Jesus in visions. I doubt you do.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the teaching that Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant for the anointed 144,000 only. The problem is when people say 'Jesus is not your mediator' and they leave it a general statement. As HerIam60 said "the one mediator between God and men who gave himself a ransom for all."

He mediates for all through his priestly duties.

He mediates the new covenant for the anointed only.

Why is it that people don't understand how he does both differently? I've explained it but the problem is that people just want to put themselves into the new covenant. But God does the electing, not your hopes.

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Question for JW's: Is Jesus the Mediator of Your Prayers ?

by Sea Breeze in

praying to god “through the son jesus” has nothing to do with christ as mediator.. do jw's even know what a mediator does?.

i am in the insurance restoration construction business and have been in mediation many times when a policy holder sues an insurance company for not paying everything they believe is due them under the terms of their policy for property damage.. i am brought in as a technical expert.. in mediation, the plaintiff (policy holder) and the defendant (insurance company) are placed in separate rooms, they do not talk to each other.

they are separated because the dispute has alienated the one from the other.

Rattigan350

" Scriptures says: "There is ONE mediator between God and men, a man Christ Jesus". NO, scripture didn't say that. Paul said that. While what Paul wrote, was written, it is not scripture. It is what Paul wrote to his readers. His use of the word 'mediator' there was not in relation to a covenant. He was just referring to how Jesus was between Jehovah God and humanity in the general sense.

Heb 9:15 & 12:24 was specifically about the new covenant.

"1. There are zero NT scriptures that explain how a person can get their sins forgiven OUTSIDE the new covenant."

There is nothing that says that the new covenant even is for the forgiveness of sins. The blood of Jesus is what forgives sins, not the covenant. Matt 26:28 does not imply that the covenant does that. "for this means my ‘blood of the covenant,’ which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins". His blood will be poured out for the forgiveness of sins. The shed blood seals the covenant, but that does not forgive sins, it is the atonement that does that.

You have to understand that those who wrote the New Testament letters, didn't have full understanding and they wrote to their audience who were in the new covenant. 1 Pet 1:18,19 "For you know that it was not with corruptible things, with silver or gold, that you were set free from your futile way of life handed down to you by your forefathers. But it was with precious blood, like that of an unblemished and spotless lamb, that of Christ"
The apostles didn't know everything as they didn't have the Revelation. Rev 21:7 "Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be my son."
Rev 22:3 "And there will no longer be any curse."
Those apply to humans alive during and after the 1000 years who will not be in the new covenant.

"3. The message of the Apostles and the Christian church is to be reconciled with God (2 Cor. 5: 18-19) Once you are reconciled to God, you are justified, meaning you have no sin debt."

Except they still had sin in them otherwise they would not have died. God reconciled sinful humans to himself through Jesus. That just for how Jehovah will view humans like Is 1:18 "“Though your sins are like scarlet, They will be made as white as snow;". It hadn't fixed anything yet.

"4. The two-tier Salvation WT tries to sell was unknown to the apostles."

Of course it was unknown to the apostles and to Jesus. None of them had the Revelation yet. That's what the critics don't understand. Jesus and the apostles weren't all knowing. Even some of their teachings were changed in the Revelation. Jesus knew that some would be raised to heaven to serve with him. "the house of my Father are many dwelling places." But he may have thought it was only a few as in his apostles. But he didn't know the number 144,000 until the Revelation was given. The apostles never knew that. It was open ended to their teachings.

"5. If anyone preaches a different message than the apostles, they are twice cursed. (See Gal. 1: 8-9)"

Wow. If the Governing body said that you would be all over them. But the apostles said that and you eat it up. Reread my answer to #4. They didn't know everything so we don't want to stick to the old light of the apostles.

Also read the context. Gal 1:6 "I am amazed that you are so quickly turning away from the One who called you with Christ’s undeserved kindness to another sort of good news". So they were called to the good news and then quickly turned to another. He doesn't say what that is. "there are certain ones who are causing you trouble and wanting to distort the good news about the Christ." He doesn't say how it is distorted. Most likely saying that Jesus is God. "Even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond the good news we declared to you, let him be accursed." Hmmm. So who is the "we"? Just Paul's little group? The apostles as a whole? The angel out of heaven is the one that conveyed the Revelation to John. Is Paul cursing that angel that gave the Revelation? Paul is saying that he is above and beyond God's further word. What Paul wrote here is too vague for us and it was written to his audience there.

"6. Once we are justified, we have peace with God and are saved from his wrath (Romans 5: 1& 9)"

Who is this we? It is his audience Rom 1:7 "to all those who are in Rome as God’s beloved ones, called to be holy ones". Revelation doesn't agree with your statement there. His wrath goes on many that thought they were saved.

"7. Salvation is available to "whosoever" not limited. (John 3: 16, Acts 2: 21, Luke 112: 8, Romans 10: 13)" Salvation is not heaven only. Heaven is available for the 144,000 only . But the rest of humanity will either live through the great tribulation or be resurrected to live in it for the 1000 years.

"8. Jesus 3 times told Nicodemus that a person MUST be born again. When we are born again we get a new spirit, one that is sinless and can then fellowship with God." You contradicted yourself here. Jesus told Nicodemus, not you or anyone else today.

Since Jesus told Nicodemus that it must refer to something true about him. What was true about him and those like him? They were born into a covenant, the Law covenant. And they need to be born into another covenant, the new one. Thus the being born again. They needed to be born of water (baptism) and spirit (anointed by holy spirit). That was them, not us.

"The Watchtower denies every one of these points related to Salvation." No, you just want to apply everything to you without considering context.