Posts by Rattigan350

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WT AUGUST 2025: NEW LIGHT ON HAILSTONE MESSAGE : IS IT BIBLICAL OR JUST CONVENIENT?

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/n_fttvylm-m?si=l44406ohysubkajr.

so today we are considering, the watchtower's new take on the "hailstone message", and if you don't know what that is , they used to believe that according to revelation 16:21 they would be preaching a hard hitting message during the time of the end.

now, let's read the verse first from the new world translation: "then great hailstones, each about the weight of a talent, fell from heaven on the people, and the people blasphemed god because of the plague of hail, for the plague was unusually great" now this is their new understanding as it appears from the 3rd paragraph from their new watchtower study edition for august 2025 and their article:when will the preaching work end, has this to say: "our clarified understanding of matthew 24:14 also adjusts our understanding of the hailstonelike message foretold at revelation 16:21. further examination has revealed that the two scriptures complement each other.

Rattigan350

Does it matter?

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The End of the Times of the Gentiles and the Restoration of the Kingdom

by EisMe in

the end of the times of the gentiles and the restoration of the kingdom.

the final stage of god’s plan on earth.

the fulfillment of prophecy: the end of the gentile age.

Rattigan350

"Revelation 5:10 states: "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign upon the earth." This verse suggests that those chosen by God will serve as both kings and priests, exercising authority and spiritual leadership on earth."

The word for 'upon' is EPI. That can mean on or upon or over.

What is the whole point of the kingdom of the heavens if they won't reign from the heavens?

Also, what is the point of John 14:2,3 "In the house of my Father are many dwelling places. Otherwise, I would have told you, for I am going my way to prepare a place for you. Also, if I go my way and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will receive you home to myself, so that where I am you also may be"

That shows that Jesus is resurrected to heaven and then he cleanses the heavens (prepares a place for them). What is the point if the rulership will be established on this earth?

Well, there will be earthly rulers too, the princes.

"2 Samuel 7:12-13—"I will raise up your offspring to succeed you... and I will establish his kingdom." This implies that governance is restored on earth, just as promised to David."

That is Nathan's promise from Jehovah that David's offspring will sit on Jehovah's throne forever. That was to lead to Christ. First it was Solomon and then his descendants. One sitting on Jehovah's throne is a sovereign ruler. That Sovereignty was lost at the time of Jehoiakim when Babylon attacked and that started the times of the Gentiles until 1914. Then Jesus became king. It is obvious that it was not on earth as it was in heaven.

That promise to David wasn't about earthly or heavenly. It was just that his descendant would sit on Jehovah's throne leading to Jesus.

It's so odd that the general population thinks that they will go to heaven and they don't know why and what they will do there. And they think that Jesus is coming back to the earth but they don't know why.

This has nothing to do with the Faithful and discreet slave. They would be ruling with Jesus in heaven.

The purpose of the 144,000 going to heaven to be kings and priests with Jesus is that they have a big job.

1000 years is 365,000 days. If 60 billion people will be resurrected, then that means that 164,383 people will be resurrected each day. It is a little more than 1 person per the 144,000 each day. So they will be busy each day just judging people during the resurrection. That can't be done on earth as humans.

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2025 Convention. How to deal with PIMOs in the Congregation. Copy Jesus in the way he dealt with Satan on the MT.

by liam in

the video on apostates in the congregation and how to deal with them at the 18 minute mark.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1kssfr9/2025_convention_apostate_video/.

so by now, a lot of us have seen a clip from the "apostate" video from the 2025 convention.

Rattigan350

The problem I see is that these new Governing Body members, Jacob Ruph, is that his name? In the 80s there were Barr, Barry, Booth, Barber, Franz, Jaracz, Klein, Sydlik, Gangas, and a few others. They were in Bethel since the 1920s. 60 years. If anyone was at Bethel for 50 years that would be the 1970s. Where are the old timers?

Now these new guys are at Bethel for a few years and they get appointed.

What happened?

Listening to these new GB members does not inspired awe like listening to Sydlik and Barr and Franz did.

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2025 Convention. How to deal with PIMOs in the Congregation. Copy Jesus in the way he dealt with Satan on the MT.

by liam in

the video on apostates in the congregation and how to deal with them at the 18 minute mark.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1kssfr9/2025_convention_apostate_video/.

so by now, a lot of us have seen a clip from the "apostate" video from the 2025 convention.

Rattigan350

"they still didn’t engage with any real criticisms (like the 607 BCE doctrine, the Australian Royal Commission, the UN NGO affiliation, etc.)."

What do you expect them to engage about with those topics? 607 BCE is when the gentile times started even if Jerusalem was destroyed in 587. The ARC is in the past. Bygones.

Same with the UN NGO thing. more bygones. It is not bad to be an NGo of the UN.

"But the “apostate’s” reasoning was surprisingly grounded. He said things like “I’m keeping an open mind and finding answers to my questions,” and “How do you know it’s garbage if you haven’t even read it?”"

But what is the point in bringing those things up? Instead of sending material or links to videos, I say to just live your life like you want to.

"And here’s what’s wild: the PIMI character had no actual arguments. He just shut the conversation down and threatened to report the guy."

What was there to argue about?

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From AFriend!2025RegionalConventionVideos!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

if you wish to download these videos for "free", then click on (slow download) when you get to the site.

the entire file folder is 8 gigabytes and will take about an hour to fully download in the slow download mode.

there is not much time left.. *****************.

Rattigan350

I had to laugh.

One of the Warwick speakers is named Mike Reno.

I was born to run
I was born to dream
The craziest boy you ever seen
I gotta do it my way
Or no way at all

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From AFriend!2025RegionalConventionVideos!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

if you wish to download these videos for "free", then click on (slow download) when you get to the site.

the entire file folder is 8 gigabytes and will take about an hour to fully download in the slow download mode.

there is not much time left.. *****************.

Rattigan350

Peaceful Pete: "why would recovering and former JWs want to expose themselves to hours of manipulative propaganda."

Maybe because you are the one that is labeling it manipulative propaganda and not everyone who views it.

Do you think that it is healthy to follow your labels?

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The End of the Times of the Gentiles and the Restoration of the Kingdom

by EisMe in

the end of the times of the gentiles and the restoration of the kingdom.

the final stage of god’s plan on earth.

the fulfillment of prophecy: the end of the gentile age.

Rattigan350

"God has promised that David’s throne will be reestablished upon the earth:"

You are wrong here.

The throne is in heaven.

How is it that everyone ignores Heb 12:22 where it says Heavenly Jerusalem??

The government will be in heaven and the people will be on earth.

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You Could Be Stuck in a University When Your Parent Dies. Convention Day 2 Video

by liam in

the governing body is going all out at this years convention.

they are still discouraging university education.

i guess the end must be real close .

Rattigan350

But would a person trained as an electrician want to do the wider range of career options that the degree would offer?

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Things Rutherford got wrong that Fred Franz had to clear up

by slimboyfat in

i was interested by the suggestion in a recent discussion that rutherford was in some way preferable to fred franz, because i’ve not come across this view before.

it made me rethink my assumptions and try to work out why i hold the opposite view and prefer fred franz to rutherford.

i haven’t done any additional research, so i’m only drawing on what i can remember off the top of my head, but i thought i’d list a few things where i reckon fred franz’s approach was preferable to rutherford.

Rattigan350

Of course Fred Franz was behind the blood ban.

Consider the w64 2/15 p. 127

"Would it be a violation of the Scriptures for a Christian to permit a veterinarian to give blood transfusions to a pet? And what of animal food? May it be used if there is reason to believe there is blood in it? Also, is it permissible to use fertilizer that has blood in it?"

That has Fred Franz written all over it.

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You Could Be Stuck in a University When Your Parent Dies. Convention Day 2 Video

by liam in

the governing body is going all out at this years convention.

they are still discouraging university education.

i guess the end must be real close .

Rattigan350

Why is this even an issue? It's been settled by the world.

This is what AI says on the subject "Trade schools and universities offer different paths to higher education. Trade schools focus on hands-on training for specific trades, while universities provide a broader academic education with opportunities for research and diverse knowledge. Trade schools are typically shorter and more affordable, allowing for quicker entry into the workforce. Universities offer longer programs leading to degrees and a wider range of career options. "

Trades VS College : r/HVAC