Posts by EdenOne

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Did Jesus say his followers would be witnesses of Jehovah?

by blondie in

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what did jesus say?.

(acts 1:8)8 but you will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon you, and you will be witnesses of me both in jerusalem and in all judea and samaria and to the most distant part of the earth.

by "divine providence" what did jesus' followers become known as?.

BOE Letter: New Adjustments

by pixel in

**this was predicted from some members here**.

to all congregations .

re: adjustments in organizational terminology and assembly arrangements .

That just about sums it up for me. Without Freddy Franz, there's no more deep oracle to come up with lenghty prophetic interpretations with multiple types and antitypes occupying entire afternoons. Just as the literature is being dumbed down, so are the conventions. Less to say also means $$savings$$ in venue rentals.

What part of "shut up and obey" are we not listening?

Eden

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BOE Letter: New Adjustments

by pixel in

**this was predicted from some members here**.

to all congregations .

re: adjustments in organizational terminology and assembly arrangements .

EdenOne

I have the slight suspicion that there is more to the change from "district" > "regional" than just semantics. By common-sense definition, a "region" is broader than a "district". The implication of this is likely that the summer conventions will be fewer in number, but bigger, with more congregations assigned to one "regional convention". This way, the local branch office will save some $$$ in venue rentals, perhaps reorganizing the branch territory into "regions" rather than "districts" and cutting down a few conventions and a few Disctrict Overseers from their payroll.

Eden

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This is hillarious!! Have to see... the JW Motto... YOLO!!

by ILoveTTATT in

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhl-x1u0cua.

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yolo!

EdenOne

LOL

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Is there a pedophile epidemic ?

by Snoozy in

after reading another thread on pedophiles i was wondering if there is a pedophile epidemic or is it just that we now have more access to the information?

it seems like everywhere you read there are more and more cases being reported.

are we becoming a nation with no morals at all?

EdenOne

What Phizzy said raises one interesting - and uncomfortable - question:

What if:

It is just possible that such research may throw up the fact that Paedophiles are born that way, as Homosexual people are. That would not of course in any way justify the behaviour, but it may show that lifelong treatment and help is necessary to restrain them.

Homosexuals say that research proves that they are born that way, so it's cruel to try to change them by means of 'treatment' or 'indoctrination', and much less punish them. They fight for acceptance. That's the current state of affairs.

But what if, by the same token, research proves that paedophiles are also born that way? Will it be cruelty to try to change them by means of 'treatment' and 'indoctrination', and enforce punishment upon them? Will it be reasonable that they also start fighting for acceptance?

Is paedophilia an innate sexual behavior? Is homosexuallity an innate sexual behavior? What makes one "pathological" and "criminal" and the other "non-pathological" and "accepted" ?

I know, these are uncomfortable questions, but they need to be asked.

Eden

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Am I wrong or right please clarify if you know

by Skeptical78 in

i recently became aware of the new light.

please correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't this new light concerning 1914 means that the wt have been preaching the wrong doctrine for decades?

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EdenOne

Can you clarify exactly what you mean by this??

But you are correct, the organization that was established in 1931 as the Jw’s of today never believed in making such perditions as well as C.T. Russell’s association within the bible students.

I frankly fail to follow your reasoning at this point.

Eden

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Am I wrong or right please clarify if you know

by Skeptical78 in

i recently became aware of the new light.

please correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't this new light concerning 1914 means that the wt have been preaching the wrong doctrine for decades?

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EdenOne

It really doesn't matter if 607 B.C.E. or 587 B.C.E. are the historically correct dates for the destruction of Jerusalem in order to determine where the start of the "seven times" is found. In either case, they are irrelevant in the calculations leading to 1914 because:

a) The prophecy of Daniel chapter 4 applies solely to Nabuchadnezzar; therefore, the "seven times" are seven years, the exact time that lasted the insanity of the Babylonian king. Daniel chapter 4 contains in itself the prophecy and the narrative of its fulfillment.

b) The Millerite notion of one day = one year as a "biblical rule" is completely unwarranted to be extrapolated into this prophecy. (7 "times" = 7 lunar years of 360 days = 2520 days = 2520 years). One must wonder how come 7 years become magically broken into days and then magically reconstructed into years again.

c) And even assuming that a) and b) could be true in tandem, something else makes the entire subject laughable: How come 2520 lunar years (years composed of 360 days each) magically become 2520 solar years (years composed of 365,25 days) in the timeline of history? Because 2520 lunar years, when converted to solar years, actually are 2485 years, and nearly 6 months. [2520 x 360 / 365,25 = 2.485,47] So, even if 607 B.C.E. was to be the actual date of the destruction of Jerusalem, the actual duration of the "seven times" would be 2485 years and nearly 6 months [i.e. 2520 lunar years], leading to c. 1879/1880. If the starting date is 587 B.C.E. , then we would arrive at 1899/1900. To ignore the conversion of lunar years to solar years makes the debate around the starting of the "seven times" completely idiotic, and dishonest too, because it would NEVER lead to 1914 anyway.

Now, as for you, billythekid, you accused Jeffro of being a "son of Satan". Yet, you purposedly misrepresent the Bible by ignoring the points above. Interestingly, Satan is portrayed in the Gospels as the one who twists the holy scriptures in order to prove his points. So tell me: who are you proving to be son of?

Eden

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My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

by cofty in

10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

EdenOne

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New development in my life

by EdenOne in

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no longer a ms ........................... can't give details atm, for it might be a dead-giveaway and it ain't quite over yet.

but, it really taught me one thing: if you're trying to fade or stay in, trust no one.

and i mean no one.. eden.

EdenOne

I was expecting it, but nevertheless it was sad to see that what REALLY matters isn't what I believe or what the Bible teaches - what REALLY REALLY matters is if I accept that the Organization has the "truth" and the GB/FDS is God's sole channel and agent on Earth. It all boils down to that. Since I was willing to concede that hipothetically it MIGHT be the case (despite what I really believe), they let me go my own merry way as long as I didn't "disseminate" my ideas.

Oh well. Blind organization worshippers is what they've become. One even told me: "I have my doubts and questions. But they are completely irrelevant. They don't matter at all, considering the big picture. I completely trust that Jehovah is using this organization, so what I personally believe or not is of no relevance."

Duh, say that again??

Eden

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New development in my life

by EdenOne in

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friends

no longer a ms ........................... can't give details atm, for it might be a dead-giveaway and it ain't quite over yet.

but, it really taught me one thing: if you're trying to fade or stay in, trust no one.

and i mean no one.. eden.

EdenOne

Ok time for another update.

The storm seems to be over (for now at least). To summarize what happened:

1. Someone close to me ratted to a couple of friends, elders, that I had penned a letter where I presented doctrinal points that were wayy different than those promoted by the FDS.

2. As a result I was summoned by two elders, and a 4-hour debate followed, where they tried to:

Doctrinally bend me into line up with the official teaching of the WTS; when they failed, they
Switched over to the question of loyalty towards "God's Organization"

When it came to that point, I knew I was stepping on very thin ice, for that was the crux of the whole matter, if I still considered the Jehovah's Witnesses as the only true religion and the FDS as Jehovah's channel. They even questioned (in a very daaarrrk way) if I was familiar with Raymond Franz's writings. I said I was, at least with the first book. I said also that my doctrinal position had nothing to do with Ray Franz's one, and if they knew RF's work they wouldn't even be making that question, so they were speaking about things they had no idea. In any case, I made an effort to say that I can concede that the WTS might be right and I might be wrong, but I needed much stronger evidence from the Bible and the WTS to change my doctrinal views. In that regards, i also said, if the leadership (GB) is right and I am wrong, then I'm sure time will tell, and I will keep praying to God for His Holy Spirit to let me know the answers.

Then the COBE raised the point if I felt I was still qualified to serve as a MS. I replied to it by saying that if he felt he had to ask the question, then clearly I didn't feel I had the trust from the BOE to keep my position, so I resigned to it there and then, and would put it in writing the next day. With some stern admonishing about the dangers of reading apostate material, the meeting ended well into the night.

Some 10 days passed on by, and the BOE had two (!) meetings to discuss my case. In the meantime those two elders went after my wife, and then my child, to fish out more information about me, if I was conducting the Family Worship, If I talked about my doctrinal views at home, etc.

Then some more days passed by and I started pressing the COBE to have a decision on the matter of what would they do with me. I asked him directly: Are you going to form a JC? Because if you do I need to prepare myself and prepare my family. The next day I got word from him that it was decided that it wasn't a case for a JC, and the BOE would decide what "privileges" would be taken away from me. Finally I got called, and I was informed that I would still have the "privileges" that any qualified publisher would have except having any parts on the platform with the exception of reading the Bible. (n.1). I would still get to comment on the meetings and go out in the field service (oh joy! :/ ) I was informed that a part in the Service Meeting would be held in the "local needs" section to address the dangers of apostates within the congregation.

The next meeting, my resignation was announced. A couple of weeks later, the pittiful part on "beware of apostate talk" was given in the form of a conversation between two elders.

And that's it. All things considered, despite a couple of weeks of anguish until I knew that I wouldn't be subjected to a JC, I can say that I had it light.

Eden