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  'Organisation is our mother'

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i need your help please, for an article i'm writing.. i believe that quite recently in the 2010's, possibly at one of the annual meetings of the watchtower, there was one speech (or was it in a publication?

  in a broadcast?

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  EdenOne

  This was taken from Randall Waters' website:

  Governing Body member Albert Schroeder in his address to elders of the Bethel family on
  May 29, 1980:
  
       "We serve not only Jehovah God but we are under our 'mother'
  (the organization). Our 'mother' has the right to make rules and
  regulations for us... This book, entitled Branch Organization
  Procedure, contains 28 subjects; and its sub-sections involve
  regulations and administration. In it there are 1,177 POLICIES AND
  REGULATIONS...this is an improved, fine-tuned organization, and we
  are expected to follow its policies. If there are some who feel
  that they cannot subject themselves to the rules and regulations
  now in operation, such ones ought to be leaving and not be involved
  here in the further progressive work."

  Seems to me that not all of Bethel's elders are of the anointed, even at this time in 1980. So, the expression "our mother", as used here, must also apply to the Organisation in a broad sense, including its visible, earthly part. The "mother" prepared the Branch Organisation Procedure, and that is clearly part of the "earthly" organisation, which is therefore part of the "universal" organisation.
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  'Organisation is our mother'

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i need your help please, for an article i'm writing.. i believe that quite recently in the 2010's, possibly at one of the annual meetings of the watchtower, there was one speech (or was it in a publication?

  in a broadcast?

  ) where it was stated that the "organisation is our mother".

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  EdenOne

  I know Blondie, that article in 1957 was a landmark. Also, please note the difference between "celestial organisation" and "universal organisation" – the latter expression encompassing also the earthly organisation.

  That quote from 1983 is also very good, thanks for pointing it out.
  

  But even very recently, and I could swear it was on a talk delivered by a Government Body member in an annual WT meeting of this decade already, ( I may be wrong, though) it was stressed out again the role of the Organisation as "our mother", as per Galatians 4:26.

  On the article I'm writing, which looks at the emotional attachment between the individual Witnesses and their "organisation" in the light of the psychological "Attachment Theory", it seems important to me this "personification" of the organisation in a motherly figure.
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  'Organisation is our mother'

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i need your help please, for an article i'm writing.. i believe that quite recently in the 2010's, possibly at one of the annual meetings of the watchtower, there was one speech (or was it in a publication?

  in a broadcast?

  ) where it was stated that the "organisation is our mother".

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  EdenOne

  I need your help please, for an article I'm writing.

  I believe that quite recently in the 2010's, possibly at one of the annual meetings of the Watchtower, there was one speech (or was it in a publication? in a broadcast?) where it was stated that the "organisation is our mother". Now, I know that since 1957 that the "universal, spiritual organisation of Jehovah" is called mother (of the anointed remnant on earth), but this reference was made to include the earthly organisation as part of the "mother".

  I can't find that right now, but can you point me to that direction please?

  Thx

  R.
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  Beroean Pickets- please offer encouragement

  by Lightgrowsbrighter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for many who have left jw.org, there is still a spiritual need and faith in the bible.

  beroean pickets is one group/website where serious bible research and commentary, weekly critical reviews of wt studies, as well expose's of flawed wt opinion/doctrine- all backed by the bible- can be considered.

  this vast amount of work and research is all done by just a small group of our volunteer brothers and sisters.

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  EdenOne

  His website was instrumental for my waking up in a time where I still had respect for the Bible as a godly book. The articles he wrote were very well written, well researched and well reasoned and there was a benevolent tone to them, which made them very persuading and attractive to read, albeit sometimes a bit too long.

  That he is being chased by the congregation as an apostate is no surprise at all. I hope all goes well with Eric / Meleti.
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  Anthony Morris- Military records are now available under FOIA

  by Bleep Bloop in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  if you've wondered what tony morris' original last name was, or if he really served in the military, i put up a youtube video today summarizing many of these details.

  my goal is not to doxx him or his family, but to put some meat on the bones of his life story article, using available public records.. thanks to the community here that gave me the impetus to dig into this.

  and i can definitively say that, contrary to popular opinion, his last name was not esposito haha.

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  Great research work. Thank you!
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  7 Jehovah’s Witnesses Brutally Tortured in Russia

  by Drearyweather in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://jw-russia.org/en/news/19021923-622.html.

  at least seven of jehovah’s witnesses were subjected to torture—electric shocks, suffocation, and cruel beatings—on the first floor of the russian investigative committee’s building at ul.

  ostrovskogo, d. 47, in surgut.

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  This isn't acceptable.

  Torture is hardly justifiable even against the most evil and dangerous REAL terrorists or gangsters who are ready to cause mass murders. What to say, then, when torture is directed towards people that WE ALL KNOW BY EXPERIENCE aren't causing any violence to the state and the society at large?

  Yes, their IDEOLOGY is cruel and idiotic and puts people unnecessarily in life-threatening situations and causes emotional damage to many; that is what should be fought, but with facts and truth. It's not the pathetic little Jehovah's Witnesses individual believers who should be hunted down and tortured. They should go after their corporate entities and their editorial contents. But this? This is just plain wrong and a very stupid move from Russia. Haven't they learned nothing about this cult?

  I hope this stops soon.
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  What Music have you Been Listening to this Last Year ? Post You tubes if you Like !

  by flipper in

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  2. entertainment

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wktxjuyiat4.

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  EdenOne

  Ha! Had to post this one - the latest satyr from Pet Shop Boys.

  ”Give Stupidity A Chance”

  https://youtu.be/P9jEuHbB0GQ

  brilliant!
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  10 years ago I woke up and found this site

  by cantleave in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this was my first post on here...... https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/177753/hi-hope-am-welcome .

  there have been a lot of changes since then .. i am healthier, happier, wealthier.

  i have put the jw's well and truly behind me.

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  EdenOne

  Congratulations Cantleave! 10 years is a landmark worth pointing and celebrating.

  And a big thank you. Looking back now, it was because of people like you, cofty, and others that got me thinking beyond the mere “JW’s are wrong about the truth”, and take the hard path of examining the foundations of faith and belief and conclude that the very foundation of those - the revered sacred writings - are just totally human musings, and often not very benign ones. There is no revealed “truth” to put faith on, only facts to be dealt with.

  Life does make much more sense now, and I’ve never been happier. There are sequels from all the time my family spent in there, but we’re dealing with them, and as the petty JW world fades into the distance, we feel we gained much more than we have lost by leaving.

  All the best to you. If you ever come to Lisbon, let me know.
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  Anyone know of elders talking private KH matters to wifes?

  by Tobyjones262 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i knew of several elders who would tell their wife's everything that happened in a committee meeting.

  he is still and elder and very old but i doubt he has changed.

  we used to call him.

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  EdenOne

  Anyone know of elders NOT talking private KH matters to wifes?

  There, fixed it for you.
  
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  This was UNQUESTIONABLY "food at the proper time"........

  by The Fall Guy in

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  2. beliefs

  ...in 1951, but unfit for consumption for those jw's children & grandchildren.. w51 12/15 pp.

  763-764 - paul was known as the “apostle to the nations.” he produced “the signs of an apostle”.

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  EdenOne

  It is clear from Acts and from Paul’s rants in Galatians that the other apostles never accepted him as an “equal”.