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  Mass Shooting at Kingdom Hall in Hamburg, Germany

  by EdenOne in

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  mass shooting at a kingdom hall in hamburg, germany this evening.

  at least 6 or 7 killed, dozens injured.

  single shooter on the run, police doesn't rule out more shooters.

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  Death toll rose to 8 people.
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  Mass Shooting at Kingdom Hall in Hamburg, Germany

  by EdenOne in

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  mass shooting at a kingdom hall in hamburg, germany this evening.

  at least 6 or 7 killed, dozens injured.

  single shooter on the run, police doesn't rule out more shooters.

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  resolute Bandicoot
  Very unlikely to be an islamic attack because the perpetrator would not have suicided,

  
  Indeed, I wrote that before it became known that the shooter probably committed suicide inside the building. It's starting to feel like it was personal.
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  Mass Shooting at Kingdom Hall in Hamburg, Germany

  by EdenOne in

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  mass shooting at a kingdom hall in hamburg, germany this evening.

  at least 6 or 7 killed, dozens injured.

  single shooter on the run, police doesn't rule out more shooters.

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  Jehovah's Witnesses are as humans as anyone else and therefore exposed to the same dangers as everyone else. This time it was their turn to be targeted, and there wasn't any supernatural intervention to spare them from harm. On one hand, it says that they're no different than everyone else; on the other hand it says they're not some special breed.

  Nobody deserves to die while gathered peacefully as a community to worship. Then again, I'm sure the question in many people's minds will be: Where was Jehovah? Where was Jesus? Where were the angels? The way the Watchtower spins it, everytime the JWs are engaged in Jehovah's service, they're under special protection from their enemies; yet time and time again that idea is proven false.

  Think about the tremendous earthquake that destroyed Lisbon in 1755. It took place on November 1st at 09:00 when the churches were packed with believers attending mass for All Saints Day. Thousands died when the church buildings collapsed over them. Where was God then? That tragedy led many to dare to question their beliefs, like Voltaire, paving the way for modern secularism. Likewise, I'm sure this senseless tragedy will cause many JWs to pause and start thinking too if what they've been taught is truth or vaporware.

  My heart goes out to those whose life is forever changed by this tragedy. Nobody deserves to die like this. Nobody deserves the trauma they're going to have to endure for the rest of their lives.
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  Mass Shooting at Kingdom Hall in Hamburg, Germany

  by EdenOne in

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  mass shooting at a kingdom hall in hamburg, germany this evening.

  at least 6 or 7 killed, dozens injured.

  single shooter on the run, police doesn't rule out more shooters.

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  German police is now saying that there's no shooter on the run. Which means that the shooter may be among the dead. That being the case, and since we know JWs don't carry weapons for selfdefense, perhaps the shooter committed suicide?

  From Associated Press:

  "Vehren said police were alerted to the shooting about 9:15 p.m. and were on the scene quickly. He said that after officers arrived, they heard a shot from an upper floor and found a person upstairs who may have been a shooter. He said police did not have to use their firearms.
  Vehren said there was no immediate indication that a shooter was on the run and that it appeared likely that the perpetrator or perpetrators were either in the building or among the dead."

  https://apnews.com/article/germany-shooting-hamburg-fb175f5bcc195d9c32df0b1a49aea5ae
  
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  Mass Shooting at Kingdom Hall in Hamburg, Germany

  by EdenOne in

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  mass shooting at a kingdom hall in hamburg, germany this evening.

  at least 6 or 7 killed, dozens injured.

  single shooter on the run, police doesn't rule out more shooters.

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  This could also be a terrorist attack in the classic sense, targeting a Christian church. To me that's the most plausible scenario, but the possibility of a disgruntled person linked with the congregation is also not to be discarded.
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  Mass Shooting at Kingdom Hall in Hamburg, Germany

  by EdenOne in

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  mass shooting at a kingdom hall in hamburg, germany this evening.

  at least 6 or 7 killed, dozens injured.

  single shooter on the run, police doesn't rule out more shooters.

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  https://www.fox3now.com/at-least-six-people-dead-and-several-injured-after-a-shooting-in-hamburg-germany-jehovahs-witnesses-district-of-alsterdorf-active-shooter-deelboge-street-in-the-grosborstel-district/

  https://www.the-sun.com/news/7593486/hamburg-shooting-six-shot-several-more-injured/amp/

  https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/09/six-killed-and-others-wounded-in-hamburg-shooting
  
  https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/03/09/europe/hamburg-germany-shooting-intl/index.html

  https://www.kold.com/2023/03/09/germany-deaths-injuries-shooting-inside-hamburg-church/?outputType=amp
  

  https://www.dw.com/en/several-people-reported-dead-in-shooting-in-hamburg/a-64938984

  https://amp.zdf.de/nachrichten/panorama/schuesse-hamburg-tote-100.html

  https://m.bild.de/regional/hamburg/hamburg-aktuell/medienberichte-tote-bei-amoklauf-in-hamburg-83154924.bildMobile.html
  
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  Mass Shooting at Kingdom Hall in Hamburg, Germany

  by EdenOne in

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  mass shooting at a kingdom hall in hamburg, germany this evening.

  at least 6 or 7 killed, dozens injured.

  single shooter on the run, police doesn't rule out more shooters.

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  Mass shooting at a Kingdom Hall in Hamburg, Germany this evening. At least 6 or 7 killed, dozens injured. Single shooter on the run, police doesn't rule out more shooters. Story still developing.

  https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-hamburg-mass-shooting-six-29419580.amp
  
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  Mesquite Mountain

  by peacefulpete in

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  ok, the title may make more sense for those who enjoy grilling.

  horeb (aka sinai).

  most students of the ot are fully aware of the documentary hypothesis in some form, in short it is near universally recognized that the book of exodus, for example, is the composite work of a redactor who has collected the traditions of the judahite and israelite people.

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  First time I run into that explanation. Thx
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  Could the law abiding Jesus or his disciples have used a coin depicting Caesar?

  by EdenOne in

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  so, i was just viewing an interview with professor yonathan adler regarding the origins of judaism as an everyday practice of the masses.

  he makes a very convincing argument that the jews only became torah observants in a generalized way around the beginning of the hasmonean dynasty, between the 3rd and 2nd centuries bc.

  you can watch the interview here:.

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  Phizzy - but it IS a good Story.
  I wonder if the Writer of "Mark" was most motivated by the desire to write entertainment, more than he was by the desire to Evangelise.

  Yes! No doubt, it IS a great story, and a masterful illustration, but likely it's not something that the historical Jesus would have said. But, why let the truth get in the way of a good story, right?

  I don't think the writer of Mark was in the entertainment trade, but early Christian writers were more concerned with electrifying their audiences than with the truth. Thus, they felt justified to lie in order to advance their faith.

  Some people here would benefit from reading Bart Ehrman's "Forged - Writing in the name of God". (That is, if you're not hiding your head in the sand). And btw, this example wasn't taken from any of Ehrman's books.
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  Could the law abiding Jesus or his disciples have used a coin depicting Caesar?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, i was just viewing an interview with professor yonathan adler regarding the origins of judaism as an everyday practice of the masses.

  he makes a very convincing argument that the jews only became torah observants in a generalized way around the beginning of the hasmonean dynasty, between the 3rd and 2nd centuries bc.

  you can watch the interview here:.

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  neat blue dog3 hours agoSo many of "The Experts" have made fools of themselves trying to disprove the historicity of Biblical details, and going for this minutiae is really reaching. Not original, and not impressed.

  Good thing I'm not an expert trying to impress you, then. A true expert doesn't set himself to prove the Bible wrong, you see. He follows the evidence available and based on that, formulates explanations. Sometimes (many times) the FACTS are overwhelmingly not favorable to the accuracy of the biblical narratives; sometimes they are.

  The thing where I am a true expert is in knowing my own path out of belief; in that path, I had to make sure every step of the way that I was making the right decision by rejecting the Bible as the "Word of God" to which I must heed. And in 100 out of 100 times, in every detail, the verdict points to the Bible being a fascinating collection of documents that tell a story of how an insignificant tribal worship of a weather god in northern Arabia became the largest religious phenomenon in the history of mankind - but that's all there is to it. It's as fascinating as it is deceptive in its claims.

  The burden of proof is not with "The Experts", is with those who make extraordinary claims that demand extraordinary proof - at least something more than fallacy of circular reasonings.