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  The Governing Body are the RULERS of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by yadda yadda 2 in

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  EdenOne

  Spot on.

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  Anthony Morris III... Did he really serve in Vietnam? Something doesn't quite add up...

  by Calebs Airplane in

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  born in 1950, he apparently became a regular pioneer in 1971.. but wait.... let's just say that he enlisted (or was drafted) in 1968 at age 18.... depending on the branch of service, he would have to complete anywhere from 2 to 4 years of service.

  yes, duty in hot combat zones was usually limited to 6-months at a time but you still had to serve a total of 2 to 4 years depending on the branch of service.

  assuming he only served 2 years, he would have been 20 years old and discharged by 1970.... how did he get witnessed to, complete a book study, become an unbaptized publisher, get baptized and then become a regular pioneer in less than year???.

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  Maybe I'm stumbling in semantics here, but how could he be serving in a medical capacity at the age of 18 ?

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  Link to Golden Age 1925 prediction- primary evidence of JW cock-up on Archive.org

  by Julia Orwell in

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  trying to convince a jw that the wt predicted 1925 is hard because they won't look at anything from 'apostate' sites.

  but the american archive organisation is a disinterested organisation who publishes anything ever printed in america online for research and scholarship purposes.

  they are not apostates because they publish all religious, political, judicial, legislative etc online for the public to research.

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  1914 must go... they have no choice now (at least it would seem)

  by sosoconfused in

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  i am sure this may have been discussed previously and if so just disregard this.. .

  as a born-in 1914 is a date stamped into my head that is pretty much the foundation of our religious beliefs.

  nearly everything that sets jw's apart from everyone is this date of 1914. forget all the chronology that proves that daniels prophecy and the 2520 years is incorrect - there is far worse damning evidence that makes this date useless and in error.. with the magazine that shines new light on the whole faithful slave thing - charles taze russell is no longer a member of that faithful slave class that jesus is using to feed his people./ by getting rid of russell the no doubt were able to distance themselves from all his crazy ramblings and teachings that are appearing all over the internet.

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  Just like it was done with many dates before, its meaning will be played down first, and within a few years will be quietly abandoned altogether, overshadowed by something bigger and brighter. I think that process has started already a few years ago.

  But, this being the internet age, they won't get away with it so easily as before.

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  DATING THE BOOK OF REVELATION - new article

  by EdenOne in

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  just published another article on my website.

  i promised i would make a more complete study on dating the book of revelation.

  as a result i published the article: dating revelation - solely with internal evidence from the new testament.

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  The majority of N.T scholars date Revelation as very late, between 90-95CE, even Irenaeus,who lived much nearer the time, puts it as around a similar time.

  Phizzy,

  I consider the internal NT evidence quite overwhelming. Some scholars agree with an earlier date for Revelation (50-65 CE). I think the other scholars should revise their opinion.

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  DATING THE BOOK OF REVELATION - new article

  by EdenOne in

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  just published another article on my website.

  i promised i would make a more complete study on dating the book of revelation.

  as a result i published the article: dating revelation - solely with internal evidence from the new testament.

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  EdenOne

  I dated the book of Revelation once but we couldn''t see eye to eye on the basis of an ongoing relationship because Revelation was all over the place about how old he was. I prefer my dates to be straight-up about such matters but he went into long spiels of justification - and honestly, my eyes and ears just glazed over.

  LOL Steve ... I had to read that a few times to get over the "huh...?" factor

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  DATING THE BOOK OF REVELATION - new article

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just published another article on my website.

  i promised i would make a more complete study on dating the book of revelation.

  as a result i published the article: dating revelation - solely with internal evidence from the new testament.

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  On a superficial level, it may seem trivial to re-date Revelation to 41 CE ... but the implications are very deep.

  If Revelation was received and written before 66-70 CE, then you can imagine the amount of things in it that can now be prophetically tied with the events in the first century.

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  Trivia about the history of the beloved Governing Body

  by Terry in

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  the very first legal governing body of (jehovah's witnesses) bible students were seven persons which included pastor c.t.russell, his wife maria, and his controversial ward, rose ball.. five men and two women.

  these seven persons were also the directors of the watchtower bible and tract society.

  this group set policies and practices for the rest of the religious followers of pastor russell.

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  EdenOne

  Thanks, Terry.

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  DATING THE BOOK OF REVELATION - new article

  by EdenOne in

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  just published another article on my website.

  i promised i would make a more complete study on dating the book of revelation.

  as a result i published the article: dating revelation - solely with internal evidence from the new testament.

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  Just published another article on my website. I promised I would make a more complete study on dating the book of Revelation.

  As a result I published the article: “DATING REVELATION - SOLELY WITH INTERNAL EVIDENCE FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT”

  It’s an article in six parts:

  Introduction

  Part 1 - The anachrony of the book of Revelation

  Part 2 - Two dating elements in the messages to the seven congregations

  Part 3 - The “lord’s Day” in Revelation

  Part 4 - Paul reports a supernatural event

  Part 5 - More evidence in the pauline letters

  Part 6 - An order to keep a secret

  Here’s the introduction:

  "On my previous article “Sit At My Right Hand - When?”, I made a claim that the visions of Revelation were received by John around 41 CE, but only put in written form around 60-62 CE, likely in installments. I would like to address this subject in greater detail now.
  
  The Watchtower Society claims that Revelation was written circa 96 CE while John was exiled in the island of Patmos. However, this date for the exile is really guesswork. Scholars like John A. T. Robinson think that John probably wrote his gospel and letter(s) around the interval of time between 50 -65 CE [Redating the New Testament, 1977] ; It is commonly accepted among scholars that Revelation was written before John's synoptic gospel, since some passages in the Pauline letters and John’s Gospel seem to make reference to passages in Revelation.
  
  It’s not absurd to conjecture that John could have been exiled into the island of Patmos even before the great persecutions to Christians exacted by Emperor Nerus during 64-68 CE, the same ones that saw the execution of the apostles Paul and Peter. The Revelation could have been received earlier than 64 CE, since John apparently didn’t suffer martyrdom at Patmos (tradition says he died of old age in Ephesus with nearly 100 years of age), which may agree with the fact that his imprisionment and exile in Patmos happened outside a major outbreak of violent persecution such as those under Nero (54-68) and Domitian (89-96) and yet still in time to be known by Paul and the other apostles.
  
  By 60 CE, Paul wrote to his brethren in Colossus that “Christ is seated at the right hand of God” (Colossians 3:1; see also Ephesians 1:20; Hebrews 1:3) This “seating” equals being sitting in the throne as King of the Kingdom of God. (Psalm 110:1; 1 Corinthians 15:24) How could Paul know for sure that, at the time of writing of his letters, Jesus Christ was already sitting in his throne and ruling as King? Naturally, because Jesus himself had disclosed that already in the Revelation given to the apostle John.
  
  But, is there further solid evidence that can help establish an earlier date for the Revelation? Yes, there is."

  I believe it draws a few innovative conclusions. I hope you’ll enjoy reading it as much as I’ve enjoyed researching it.

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  Due to Ongoing Concern about Dwindling Meeting Attendances, IS THE BOOK STUDY ARRANGEMENT GOING TO BE RE-INSTATED NEXT YEAR?

  by steve2 in

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  i have some family and friends still in the organization.

  i don't actively seek updates - my lovely contacts provide me with them unsolicited.

  so far the updates have been reliable and confirmed sooner or later by subsequent developments.

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  A lot of brothers and sisters in my area miss the Book Study Meeting dearly, as it was the only relaxed and laid back meeting there was, with a more intimate, close athmosphere, lending to a stronger bonding between people. While I don't miss having one extra night in my week screwed up, I personally do miss that meeting.

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