american survivalists and cults believe in "the new world order".
a world government will take over and we will all have barcodes on our arms etc... how did this nonsense get into watchtower lore with the whole u.n thing.
the org.
Just a quick thought on an old thread.
What if ...
The "earthquake" [greek: 'seismos', which, besides "earthquake" can also mean a shake, riot, upheaval, comotion] that splits the great city in three may refer to the endless social-military upheavals that have involved Jerusalem, resulting in it today being a "great city" split into three parts, the three so-called monotheistic religions: Judaism, Christianity, Islam?
In this case, Jerusalem would be "Babylon the Great".
Eden
i viewed this tv series recently and found the information interesting to say the least.. here is part 2 which got my attention the most.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyd0lzmile8.
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b) teach conditional salvation based primarily on faith in christ?.
c) refuse eternal torment in a literal fiery hell?.
d) refuse the immortality of the soul?.
Sorry, GS, I mistook him for another preacher on the line of the "prosperity gospel". I apologize.
"The End of Faith" et al... ok I get it. Thank you
Eden
Edit: Carl Harris was the one I had in mind.
b) teach conditional salvation based primarily on faith in christ?.
c) refuse eternal torment in a literal fiery hell?.
d) refuse the immortality of the soul?.
Thank you, GS.
Although "feel-good" christianity isn't really what I'm looking into.
Eden
b) teach conditional salvation based primarily on faith in christ?.
c) refuse eternal torment in a literal fiery hell?.
d) refuse the immortality of the soul?.
Sure, Adamah, whatever floats your boat.
Eden
b) teach conditional salvation based primarily on faith in christ?.
c) refuse eternal torment in a literal fiery hell?.
d) refuse the immortality of the soul?.
Reading first, yes.
Eden
b) teach conditional salvation based primarily on faith in christ?.
c) refuse eternal torment in a literal fiery hell?.
d) refuse the immortality of the soul?.
Adamah
EdenOne, it sounds like you're in the market, shopping for a new religion that fits your thinking? In the past, you relied on your 'horribly-flawed' moral compass to choose the JWs (and God didn't help you on THAT decision, despite prayers asking Him for direction on that decision), so why do you think you stand any better chance of picking the "right" religion now?
You assume so much, Adam. Too much, for an intelligent person.
I was raised a JW; there was no "moral compass" involved in choosing the JW's. Although I was baptized as a baby in the RCC, soon my mother began studying with a Witness neighbor who converted her, and thus I was raised a Witness since the age of 5. Not much room for personal decision there, is it? I was baptized as a teenager too. Again, not much room for choice or letting a fully developed, albeit 'horribly-flawed' 'moral compass' drive me.
Then, you also assume wrong that I am "shopping" for a new religion. Pick your guess as for what my reasons are. I won't waste time in arguing them with you.
Eden
b) teach conditional salvation based primarily on faith in christ?.
c) refuse eternal torment in a literal fiery hell?.
d) refuse the immortality of the soul?.
punkie,
there are the remains of watchtower(R) programming still in your mind. That old familiar feeling is comforting.
Of course there are. Why would that even surprise you? Yet, there are some fundamental questions that right now are digging a deeper trench between myself and the official doctrine of the Watchtower Society.
Eden
b) teach conditional salvation based primarily on faith in christ?.
c) refuse eternal torment in a literal fiery hell?.
d) refuse the immortality of the soul?.
yadda,
The cbsm website is very vague about their beliefs. I can't tell what exactly they stand for.
As for Anthony Buzzard's Restoration Fellowship, his belief in a literal, earthly millenium kingdom with a "full restoration of the earth" is something I currently struggle with. Still, interesting.
Eden
b) teach conditional salvation based primarily on faith in christ?.
c) refuse eternal torment in a literal fiery hell?.
d) refuse the immortality of the soul?.
Indian Larry, about the "Living Hope International Ministries", whose link you have provided, they're interesting and their set of beliefs is remarkably identical to that of the JW's; however, this:
When Christ returns, he will rule over the entire earth with his throne located in Jerusalem.
Is sooo Rutherford/Russell pre-1925 belief. I don't find them to be all that different from the JW's. Apparently they don't engage in door-to-door evangelism.
Eden
