This could also be a terrorist attack in the classic sense, targeting a Christian church. To me that's the most plausible scenario, but the possibility of a disgruntled person linked with the congregation is also not to be discarded.
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Mass Shooting at Kingdom Hall in Hamburg, Germany
by EdenOne inmass shooting at a kingdom hall in hamburg, germany this evening.
at least 6 or 7 killed, dozens injured.
single shooter on the run, police doesn't rule out more shooters.
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Mass Shooting at Kingdom Hall in Hamburg, Germany
by EdenOne inmass shooting at a kingdom hall in hamburg, germany this evening.
at least 6 or 7 killed, dozens injured.
single shooter on the run, police doesn't rule out more shooters.
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https://www.fox3now.com/at-least-six-people-dead-and-several-injured-after-a-shooting-in-hamburg-germany-jehovahs-witnesses-district-of-alsterdorf-active-shooter-deelboge-street-in-the-grosborstel-district/
https://www.the-sun.com/news/7593486/hamburg-shooting-six-shot-several-more-injured/amp/
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/09/six-killed-and-others-wounded-in-hamburg-shooting
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/03/09/europe/hamburg-germany-shooting-intl/index.htmlhttps://www.dw.com/en/several-people-reported-dead-in-shooting-in-hamburg/a-64938984
https://amp.zdf.de/nachrichten/panorama/schuesse-hamburg-tote-100.html
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Mass Shooting at Kingdom Hall in Hamburg, Germany
by EdenOne inmass shooting at a kingdom hall in hamburg, germany this evening.
at least 6 or 7 killed, dozens injured.
single shooter on the run, police doesn't rule out more shooters.
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Mass shooting at a Kingdom Hall in Hamburg, Germany this evening. At least 6 or 7 killed, dozens injured. Single shooter on the run, police doesn't rule out more shooters. Story still developing.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-hamburg-mass-shooting-six-29419580.amp
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Mesquite Mountain
by peacefulpete inok, the title may make more sense for those who enjoy grilling.
horeb (aka sinai).
most students of the ot are fully aware of the documentary hypothesis in some form, in short it is near universally recognized that the book of exodus, for example, is the composite work of a redactor who has collected the traditions of the judahite and israelite people.
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First time I run into that explanation. Thx
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Could the law abiding Jesus or his disciples have used a coin depicting Caesar?
by EdenOne inso, i was just viewing an interview with professor yonathan adler regarding the origins of judaism as an everyday practice of the masses.
he makes a very convincing argument that the jews only became torah observants in a generalized way around the beginning of the hasmonean dynasty, between the 3rd and 2nd centuries bc.
you can watch the interview here:.
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Phizzy - but it IS a good Story.
I wonder if the Writer of "Mark" was most motivated by the desire to write entertainment, more than he was by the desire to Evangelise.Yes! No doubt, it IS a great story, and a masterful illustration, but likely it's not something that the historical Jesus would have said. But, why let the truth get in the way of a good story, right?
I don't think the writer of Mark was in the entertainment trade, but early Christian writers were more concerned with electrifying their audiences than with the truth. Thus, they felt justified to lie in order to advance their faith.
Some people here would benefit from reading Bart Ehrman's "Forged - Writing in the name of God". (That is, if you're not hiding your head in the sand). And btw, this example wasn't taken from any of Ehrman's books.
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Could the law abiding Jesus or his disciples have used a coin depicting Caesar?
by EdenOne inso, i was just viewing an interview with professor yonathan adler regarding the origins of judaism as an everyday practice of the masses.
he makes a very convincing argument that the jews only became torah observants in a generalized way around the beginning of the hasmonean dynasty, between the 3rd and 2nd centuries bc.
you can watch the interview here:.
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neat blue dog3 hours agoSo many of "The Experts" have made fools of themselves trying to disprove the historicity of Biblical details, and going for this minutiae is really reaching. Not original, and not impressed.
Good thing I'm not an expert trying to impress you, then. A true expert doesn't set himself to prove the Bible wrong, you see. He follows the evidence available and based on that, formulates explanations. Sometimes (many times) the FACTS are overwhelmingly not favorable to the accuracy of the biblical narratives; sometimes they are.
The thing where I am a true expert is in knowing my own path out of belief; in that path, I had to make sure every step of the way that I was making the right decision by rejecting the Bible as the "Word of God" to which I must heed. And in 100 out of 100 times, in every detail, the verdict points to the Bible being a fascinating collection of documents that tell a story of how an insignificant tribal worship of a weather god in northern Arabia became the largest religious phenomenon in the history of mankind - but that's all there is to it. It's as fascinating as it is deceptive in its claims.
The burden of proof is not with "The Experts", is with those who make extraordinary claims that demand extraordinary proof - at least something more than fallacy of circular reasonings.
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Could the law abiding Jesus or his disciples have used a coin depicting Caesar?
by EdenOne inso, i was just viewing an interview with professor yonathan adler regarding the origins of judaism as an everyday practice of the masses.
he makes a very convincing argument that the jews only became torah observants in a generalized way around the beginning of the hasmonean dynasty, between the 3rd and 2nd centuries bc.
you can watch the interview here:.
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"..I choose to believe the Bible and therefore didn't read through or watch anything to the contrary.--it would be a waste of my time"
At least you're honest to admit to hiding your head in the sand. If it works for you, great! Nothing to see here.
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Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body
by WingCommander inthis has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.
this is not a joke.
anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!
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I don't think the other hienas will resist the urge to humiliate the bully that fell off the "slave" position...
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Could the law abiding Jesus or his disciples have used a coin depicting Caesar?
by EdenOne inso, i was just viewing an interview with professor yonathan adler regarding the origins of judaism as an everyday practice of the masses.
he makes a very convincing argument that the jews only became torah observants in a generalized way around the beginning of the hasmonean dynasty, between the 3rd and 2nd centuries bc.
you can watch the interview here:.
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Kaleboutwest your insight on judaism is most welcome.
peacefulpete: "Especially the way it is written with the assumption of the image on the coin."
This is where I was getting at. The story is told by Mark, and then mirrored by Matthew and Luke, but "Mark" has no idea that it would be very unlikely that around 30 CE there were coins in daily circulation in Judea with the effigy of Caesar. "Mark" seems to be ignorant that the carrier of such coin would become ceremonially impure. Jesus may well have taught "give Caesar what belongs to Caesar" [pay your taxes to the Roman authority ] but "Mark" is just making up the use of a denarius to illustrate that point, probably because "Mark" (whoever was the author of that gospel) probably never set foot in Judea.
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Could the law abiding Jesus or his disciples have used a coin depicting Caesar?
by EdenOne inso, i was just viewing an interview with professor yonathan adler regarding the origins of judaism as an everyday practice of the masses.
he makes a very convincing argument that the jews only became torah observants in a generalized way around the beginning of the hasmonean dynasty, between the 3rd and 2nd centuries bc.
you can watch the interview here:.
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So, I was just viewing an interview with Professor Yonathan Adler regarding the origins of judaism as an everyday practice of the masses. He makes a very convincing argument that the jews only became Torah observants in a generalized way around the beginning of the Hasmonean dynasty, between the 3rd and 2nd centuries BC. You can watch the interview here:
One thing that he said that stood out for me was this: Around Jesus' days, the authorities, out of respect for the jews' sensibilities, didn't mint coins in Judea depicting humans or animals or gods. Archaeology confirms this.
Now, in Mark, Matthew and Luke, Jesus answers a trap question from his adversaries regarding tax payment to the roman authority by asking one of his disciples for a coin, which is referred to as a "denarius" and points to the face on that coin, asking who is it of? "Caesar", everyone replies.
The accounts of the Roman tax episode in the gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke differ in regard to the identity of the people who were questioning Jesus. In Matthew’s gospel it is the Pharisees who sent their disciples with the Herodians. In Mark’s gospel it is the chief priests, the scribes and the elders who sent the Pharisees and Herodians. In Luke’s gospel it is the scribes and the chief priests who sent spies.
In any case, such coins wouldn't be commonly circulating in Judea because any jew would become ritually impure just by touching that object! How, then, could:
a) Jesus' disciples, being Torah observants, have such a coin?
b) How could the Torah observant Jesus hold and show an idolatrous coin just to make a point this becoming ritually impure by it?
What are your thoughts?