Posts by johnamos

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Allegheny Pyramid Desecrated

by RolRod in

sometime within the last 2 weeks, someone took a sledgehammer to the pyramid monument in allegheny.

they stole the topstone, smashed the cross and crown emblem and removed the seal.. personally i'm surprised it lasted this long untouched.

although through the years russell's grave has been vandalized, it was always repaired by the bible students..

johnamos

this monument is an embarrassing chapter in their history, I'm surprised the GB did not attempt to take it down and make it disappear like so many other embarrassments.

Such specific damage, you would think it has to be someone with a specific grudge

I would say that this is their attempt tp take it down...I bet it was an inside job to look like vandalism. Now they can just say that its best to remove it based on it being vandalized, when we know they really want it gone due to embarrassment. Anyway, that is not CTR actually grave marker, he has a head stone at his grave site, so they will use that to justify removal of the pyramid.

IMG_6520.jpg (2448×3264) (thejehovahswitnessthatstolechristmas.com)

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Is the door to door preaching work not the primary focus anymore?

by pistolpete in

a few months back, one of my uncles who was an elder, asked the co, why jehovah would allow the door to door preaching work, to come to an abrupt end.

this was when my uncle was starting to have serious doubts about the organization.. the co told him to be patient, and hang in there, because the governing body was on top of things and in time would explain what is happening regarding the preaching work.. my uncle asked; “what do you mean?”.

co said; “focus on the wt study articles in the coming months” .

johnamos

How many JWs will think about the context of this paragraph from this same WT?

My guess is...zero.

October 2021 Watchtower study edition ------Do Not Give Up!

12 The prophet Jeremiah likewise preached for decades in the face of apathy and opposition. He became so discouraged by the “insults and jeering” of opposers that he thought of giving up his assignment. (Jer. 20:8, 9) But Jeremiah did not give up!

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Another one that Jdubs miss

by HawayMan in

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johnamos

Never mind that post...I see that I was misunderstanding what you wrote. I should have known, that is why I said I was surprised to see you say such. But it is me that was reading it wrong. I see now that you are not agreeing with the WTS view on 'Parousia'.

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Another one that Jdubs miss

by HawayMan in

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johnamos

Thank you for clarifying.

What do you mean in saying this:

that is, an invisible presence that only a few know about,

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Another one that Jdubs miss

by HawayMan in

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johnamos

But I would say that "presence" much better encapsulates what the WT teaches about Jesus' parousia, that is, an invisible presence that only a few know about,

Hmm...I am surprise to here you say that. Maybe I am misunderstanding you but are you saying his 'presence' and 'coming' are two different events?

That is not how I understand it and that is they may be two different words being used but they are referring to the same event/time.

Starting with this verse that uses the word 'presence', this is the way I view it:

[However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him,]

There it connects their being gathered together to him at the time of his 'presence'. Matt 24:31 shows when it is that they are gathered together to him, which is at the time of his 'coming' as shown in verse 30.

[30 And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.]

Likewise:

[15 For this is what we tell YOU by Jehovah’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord shall in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death; 16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. 17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with the Lord.]

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New Approach to Discussing Deity of Christ with JW's

by Sea Breeze in

5:27; 9:59; 18:22; jn.

9:48; [21:8]; 24:47; jn.

21:12, 17;] jn.

johnamos

Also perfectly clear is that Jesus possesses "all power in heaven and earth" - Mt. 28: 18

I suppose anything can seem (perfectly) clear to a person that only wants to see something how they want to see it.

You seem to have left off a (perfectly) CLEAR detail:

[When Jesus came near, he spoke to them. He said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.]

[Then the end will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For “God has put everything under His feet.” Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this CLEARLY does not include the One who put everything under Him. And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all.]

Also, equally clear is that Jesus said he would resurrect himself while he was dead. - John 10:18

If Jesus 'resurrected himself' then does that mean he killed himself?

[No one is taking it from me; I lay it down of my own free will. I have the authority to lay it down, and I have the authority to take it back again. This is what my Father has commanded me."]

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no doubt this has also been discussed numerous times before.

but with regard to those documents that were illegally stolen in that vice documentary.

johnamos

Yes...that would be like someone that has a laptop with child porn on it and it being stolen...I would not think the owner of the laptop would want to make such a big deal about it being stolen...

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