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  How do they get away with "New Light"?

  by moreconfusedthanever in

  1. watchtower
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  one thing that bothers me greatly is the fact that they can change their policies and beliefs and just say its "new light" and no one bats an eyelid.. there are many scriptures such as isaiah 40:8 "the word of god will last to time indefinite.

  " or hebrews 6:18 "it is impossible for god to lie".

  if he is "spirit directing" the borg then there should be no need for new light..

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  AverageJoe1

  no idea what that is, have to take your word for it!!
  

  @Pontoon

  Really? Agent Fox Mulder from "The X-Files": "I want to believe" was his catchphrase.
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  How do they get away with "New Light"?

  by moreconfusedthanever in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one thing that bothers me greatly is the fact that they can change their policies and beliefs and just say its "new light" and no one bats an eyelid.. there are many scriptures such as isaiah 40:8 "the word of god will last to time indefinite.

  " or hebrews 6:18 "it is impossible for god to lie".

  if he is "spirit directing" the borg then there should be no need for new light..

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  @Pontoon

  The Mulder complex!
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  Things I Cant Stand Since Leaving Watchtower

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  what a breath a fresh air to be free of watchtower.

  now i can finally rant about the things i put up with that i'd never put up with now.. in no particular order:.

  little kids in suits.

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  @Neat Blue Dog

  I'm still physically in, but one thing I don't miss from being mentally in is the guilt and never feeling good enough or that you've tried hard enough.
  

  Those are my sentiments exactly. Such a relief, especially to be able to put anything on your report form as it doesn't mean anything at the end of the day!

  However, those feelings of self worth (or lack thereof), I doubt I'll ever get back. Crazy how indoctrination from a young age can really screw you up.
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  Elders meet with Pioneers & Missionaries Dec 2017- Jan 2018

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  elders meet with regular pioneers, special pioneers, and field missionaries program for december 2017 through january 2018 s-211-18-e 9/17.

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  AverageJoe1

  Scratch that, it's now available in the Inbox. Thanks.
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  Elders meet with Pioneers & Missionaries Dec 2017- Jan 2018

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  elders meet with regular pioneers, special pioneers, and field missionaries program for december 2017 through january 2018 s-211-18-e 9/17.

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  AverageJoe1

  Wifi Bandit, ¿Do you have the outline in Spanish please?
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  Were your English WT publications in the American "dialect"?

  by compound complex in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  greetings, friends:.

  the opening query is presented, loosely, in the past tense, assuming that you are not currently a reader of watchtower publications.. not that i'm already rather certain of your reply, it's just that i would like to know if in your english-speaking country (or esl [english as second language]) the society deigned to tailor the publications to your spellings, expressions, idiomatic renderings, etc.

  as you will read below, so-called american english is a dialect of english.. i found this online under american english vs. british english:.

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  AverageJoe1

  "Happyfying" arrrrrrrrrrgggggh! That isn't even in an AMERICAN dictionary!

  I remember an Awake! magazine with the word GARBAGE printed in large letters on the front cover. How to instantly alienate the British non-JW populace!

  What's weird now is that on the videos used in the field service in Spain, Spain dubs their own version so as not to put people off with the Latin American accents. Now why the heck can't they do that in the UK and dub them with British accents? I'd much rather listen to a Geordie, Brummie, Scouse or any other strong regional accent from the UK (although an island the UK has a fantastic variety of accents) than listen to the same old American ones!
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  Getting your WT files deleted (UK)

  by Splash in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the uk are tightening up their data protection laws to make it easier for individuals to get hold of the information organisations hold on them and to get it deleted.. i think paul grundy (jwfacts) went through this with wt once and found it very time consuming and difficult.. will wt now abide by the law and hand over or permanently delete the records it keeps when requested?it would mean every uk exjw could have their report card info, personal file with age, sex, baptism date, judicial information, appointment/deletion/disfellowshipping dates, letters of disassociation, letters of recommendation when you move, phone number and address permanently removed.

  anyone acting for the wt (elders) who retain this information, eg your phone number in their phone or the secretary keeping your historical monthly report details, will be in violation.

  failure to comply will incur a fine.. expect a letter to all boe's any time soon explaining why this does not apply to them.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40826062.

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  AverageJoe1

  Hmm I didn't think about that aspect.

  According to the DPA though, there really shouldn't be any need for the WTS to hold ANY info on you unless you did belong to ranks of sex offenders.

  According to the Spanish DPA (ARCO) you have the right to OPPOSE the data held on you and demand it be removed.

  ARCO: acceso (accessing or consultating), rectificación (amending), cancelación (cancelling) oposición (opposing).

  Based on that, if you demanded your ARCO rights asking them to remove all the data they had on you, then if you went to another congregation there should be no paper trail on you, just word-of-mouth (when they called to check with the elders who you are).
  
  
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  Getting your WT files deleted (UK)

  by Splash in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the uk are tightening up their data protection laws to make it easier for individuals to get hold of the information organisations hold on them and to get it deleted.. i think paul grundy (jwfacts) went through this with wt once and found it very time consuming and difficult.. will wt now abide by the law and hand over or permanently delete the records it keeps when requested?it would mean every uk exjw could have their report card info, personal file with age, sex, baptism date, judicial information, appointment/deletion/disfellowshipping dates, letters of disassociation, letters of recommendation when you move, phone number and address permanently removed.

  anyone acting for the wt (elders) who retain this information, eg your phone number in their phone or the secretary keeping your historical monthly report details, will be in violation.

  failure to comply will incur a fine.. expect a letter to all boe's any time soon explaining why this does not apply to them.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40826062.

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  AverageJoe1

  Yes Drearyweather but I'm referring to a person who has been disfellowshipped who turns up at a congregation and just gives them the basic details (without mentioning their former congregation).
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  Getting your WT files deleted (UK)

  by Splash in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the uk are tightening up their data protection laws to make it easier for individuals to get hold of the information organisations hold on them and to get it deleted.. i think paul grundy (jwfacts) went through this with wt once and found it very time consuming and difficult.. will wt now abide by the law and hand over or permanently delete the records it keeps when requested?it would mean every uk exjw could have their report card info, personal file with age, sex, baptism date, judicial information, appointment/deletion/disfellowshipping dates, letters of disassociation, letters of recommendation when you move, phone number and address permanently removed.

  anyone acting for the wt (elders) who retain this information, eg your phone number in their phone or the secretary keeping your historical monthly report details, will be in violation.

  failure to comply will incur a fine.. expect a letter to all boe's any time soon explaining why this does not apply to them.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40826062.

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  AverageJoe1

  I can imagine that you would know for sure if you turned up at a new congregation, said you're a witness and just give them your name and baptism date.

  Then if they came back to you saying, "hey you're disfellowshipped" (make sure that you're recording the conversation), you could then ask how they came up with that ridiculous idea. They would have to say that the branch informed them; at which point you've got the branch in breach of the data protection act!
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  Just woke up turn TV on to hear yet another nut case with a gun.

  by Still Totally ADD in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  first they said 20 dead with 100 injured.

  now i just heard 50 dead and 200 injured.

  whatever it is it just another nut case who was able to get a high power gun to kill people.

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  @WingCommander

  That's the first time I've ever seen your gun laws clearly explained! Thanks.

  So all/most of these murderers wouldn't have been approved for guns in the first place. Makes sense.

  Personally, I still don't see why anyone would be fascinated by them though.

  Thanks again.