hi, englishman-i've thought about it, and as yet, i can't pinpoint the exact moment it happened. for me, it was a snowball that was already rolling down hill, it just kept getting larger and rolling faster all the time. that doesn't answer your question exactly, but the end result sounds the same-we're out and we're much happier for it.
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So What Tipped You Out, Then?
by Englishman incan you remember that distinct moment in your life when you suddenly knew that your time as a jw was truly over?.
for me, that moment came several years after the removal of my privileges in the congregation when i admitted to having known my then fiance in a way that was not fitting for a ministerial servant.. i was quickly stripped of my 2 servants jobs, group study conducting, pioneer status, public talk giving and praying in the kh.
i was also forbidden to ever be alone with the lady concerned.. about 15 months later i was assigned a public talk, after 30 minutes i dried up.
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WT uses a Double Standard??????????
by JT infor an honest hearted person here is very little that upsets them like a double standard one rule for me and another for you.
for any current jw who may read this ask yourself , why would the society commend these folks for their actions and yet df you for doing the very same thing.
i have stated on many occasions that the writing dept often times writes excellent articles and this on in my opiion is no exception.
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and an elder once told me I didn't see the forest for the trees. hmmm...
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WT Article "Should you investigate.....?&q...
by unanswered ini noticed this in the october 15th, 2000 wt article entitled "should you investigate other religions?"..
"recognizing true christianity - after the apostles died, true worship became contaminated by the progressive development of many forms of imitation christianity.
forseeing this, jesus disclosed one way to distinguish these counterfeit forms of christianity from true chistianity.
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i noticed this in the october 15th, 2000 WT article entitled "Should you investigate other religions?".
"RECOGNIZING TRUE CHRISTIANITY - after the apostles died, true worship became contaminated by the progressive development of many forms of imitation christianity. forseeing this, jesus disclosed one way to distinguish these counterfeit forms of christianity from true chistianity. first, he warned: "be on the watch for the false prophets that come to you in sheeps covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves." then he added: "by their fruits you will recognize them." (Matt 7:15 - 23) jesus true followers practiced what he taught, and they are easily recognized by their fine fruits. just as jesus himself did, they visit people to explain gods kingdom from the scriptures. following jesus example, they stand apart from the worlds politics and social controversies. they accept the bible as gods word and respect it as the truth. they make gods name known. and since they strive to practice the love that god teaches, they do not share in wars. instead, they treat one another as brothers. - Luke 4:33; 10:39; John 13:34,35; 17:16,17,26.according to the scriptures, it is possible to "see the distinction between a righteous one and a wicked one, between one serving god and one who has not served him." (Malachi 3:18) true worshipers today are united in thought and deed, just as the first century christians were. (Ephesians 4:4-6) once you identify such a body of genuine christians, why should you be inquisitive or curious about the beliefs of others?"
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"sincere people who are searching for the truth do well to consider carefully what they hear from different religions. in time, god will bless honest hearted individuals who seek the truth. the bible says of godly wisdom: "if you keep seeking for it as for silver, and as for hid treasures you keep searching for it, in that case....you will find the very knowledge of god." (Proverbs 2:4,5) having found this knowlege of god through the bible and the christian congregation and having seen how jehovah blesses those who are guided by that knowledge, true christians do not continue listening to false religious teachings.- 2 Timothy 3:14""sincere people who are searching for truth do well to consider carefully what they hear from different religions."
"true christians do not continue listening to false religious teachings."
if so, then what is the first sentence all about? since they viewed "different" religions as "false", i guess this means JW's are allowed to look at other religions as long as they don't look at other religions. this reasoning is one of the many reasons that i am a happier man today then i was 5 years ago. i understand that they are saying that once you've found true religion you no longer need to question, but, as imperfect humans, a belief that important must be questioned and tested to see if we are missing anything. i don't think that shows lack of faith, i think it shows our need to prove our faith to ourselves. sorry if i soapboxed, i just read the article this morning and am still a little heated up. it's just my humble opinion.
also, i know none of you need convincing one way or the other, no matter what you believe. its just that i was never allowed to voice these opinions or questions while i was in the org., and its healing for me to be able to do so now. thanks for the opportunity.
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WT Controls: The mystery is finished
by philo inthe list below is a compilation of techniques the wtbts uses to control the rank and file.
you may find your own contribution has become part of another entry.
perhaps you disagree with how i have categorized the techniques, if so please tell me.
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man, when they are all stacked up like that, it's easy to see why some(many?) of us had such a hard time getting out. and they call apostates manipulative.
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Cads!!
by expatbrit init would appear that certain dastardly husbands have been making witticisms at the expense of their dear wives.. don't look innocent, we all know who you are....... expatbrit.. husband quotes:.
i just didn't know her first name was always.. i haven't spoken to my wife for 18 months.
i don't like to interrupt her.. marriage is a 3-ring circus: engagement ring, wedding ring, and.
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somebody-i was just being my sarcastic self, maybe you already realized that, but i wanted to make it clear. i actually laughed the hardest when i read your jokes.
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by expatbrit init would appear that certain dastardly husbands have been making witticisms at the expense of their dear wives.. don't look innocent, we all know who you are....... expatbrit.. husband quotes:.
i just didn't know her first name was always.. i haven't spoken to my wife for 18 months.
i don't like to interrupt her.. marriage is a 3-ring circus: engagement ring, wedding ring, and.
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oops. i promise i didn't do that to get the junior status.
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Cads!!
by expatbrit init would appear that certain dastardly husbands have been making witticisms at the expense of their dear wives.. don't look innocent, we all know who you are....... expatbrit.. husband quotes:.
i just didn't know her first name was always.. i haven't spoken to my wife for 18 months.
i don't like to interrupt her.. marriage is a 3-ring circus: engagement ring, wedding ring, and.
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the first few jokes were very funny, but somebody, your's were way out of line. :)
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by expatbrit init would appear that certain dastardly husbands have been making witticisms at the expense of their dear wives.. don't look innocent, we all know who you are....... expatbrit.. husband quotes:.
i just didn't know her first name was always.. i haven't spoken to my wife for 18 months.
i don't like to interrupt her.. marriage is a 3-ring circus: engagement ring, wedding ring, and.
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the first few jokes were very funny, but somebody, your's were way out of line. :)
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divided families
by Blackcat inwhy is it that even though your not disfellowshipped or dissasociated and you start questioning the things you thought where truth about the org.
your so-called family members avoid you like the plague?.i find it quite comical to see how different they treat you, leaving the "truth" and keeping your mouth shut they can handle, but once you start questioning the so-called faithful and discreet slave, all hell breaks loose !!!
i,ve been accused of being anti-witness,apostate (which i dont mind) and been told that i,ve spat in the face of jah all because i have openly expressed my opinions about the org.
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i remember, even before i was DF'ed, witnesses pretending they couldn't see me in the grocery store, even when direct eye contact was made. yes, it was good for a chuckle.
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New Here
by BecKBenji inhey.
i am looking for online friends.. from my name you know i love beck and my name is ben, benny, benji whatever just not benjamin.
my mom calls me that all the time.
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ben, nice to meet you. i was raised a witness and my parents were strict, but loving, and they tried to keep my best interests in front of them. if your parents fit into that cattegory, try to talk with them and listen to them as best you can. for now, they do have authority over you and when you become an adult, you will be able to make your own decisions as one. i did and it has worked out pretty well. it's normal to disagree with one's parents just as much as it is normal to disagree with one's children. i hope you can get along okay. logical- can ben be spared some of your negativity?