Posts by Unclepenn1

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Do You Still Believe a God Cares for You?

by JosephAlward in

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i've been a part of this forum for about one month, and during that time i've been struck by the willingness of many so former jehovah witnesses either to ridicule the bible, or to stand by while it's being ridiculed.

so, i'm wondering how many of them while witnesses suffered through experiences so searing that they no longer believe in the god of the old testament.. who among you still believe that underneath the layers of contradictions, inconsistencies, and errors in the bible there may be found the words of a god who created the universe, and who also cares about you, personally?.

joseph f. alward.

Unclepenn1

>In a situation of total freedom and unconditional love, there is no judgement.

That is not love. Love is being upset when injustices are made. When Hitler killed 10 million people (6 mil being Jews) you hear that and get upset, because in your heart you have a sense of justice. If you make up a god or higher spirit that has no problem with the extermination of millions of people that is not God but rather the devil.

>The spirits of people whose heart is fixated on sex would all meet and continuously have or attempt to have sex w each other.

The spirits of those types that all want to blow up the World Trade Center can all go and hang with each other and talk about how they wish they could do it again. Man you are living in a fantasy world SS! I know why you think this way. You have to try and appease you conscience so you can look at filthy magazines and do sinful things wihtout having to be bothered by guilt. You appease your conscience, that God gave you as a warning system, knowing that you are crossing into a territoty that you shouldnt and you feel guilty. You attach yourself to a belief system that lets you freely be devious and not have to sweat the guilt. I was there man. I know it all too well.

>Evidence for reincarnation has been studied quite a bit. Raymond moody wrote about his studies of it. Hypnotherapists commonly run into it. Monroe institute has encountered a lot of it. Froeyd (spelling?) and jung believed in it. Actually, the majority of the world believes it.

Unfortunately, truth is not a popularity contest. And no, the majority of the world does not beleive in reincarntaion.

>There are traces of it in the bible.

No there is not. Unless you twist scripture. Jesus said you must be born again. Not again and again and again.

>If you studied it, your confusion would dissappear. Of course i don't have that many answers, but i'm looking

SS I truly hope that you are searching for truth. If you do then you will run right into Christ. Not religion, not church, but Jesus.

Penn

Mohammed- 'My teachings lead to the attainment of truth'
Buddha- 'The truth has been revealed to me'
Jesus- 'I am the truth'

28

New York Evolution Proof

by metatron in

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if you ever get stuck going to brooklyn bethel and.

hearing about watchtower propaganda, you might want.

to look at an antidote.. the museum of natural history - in manhattan.. in the section on human origins, they have a skeleton.

Unclepenn1

Cygnus, how do you think G.S. ran 'my guy' into the ground? Is Jesus a true god in the archetypical sense? If not, is it ok to formulate that he is a true god in all other senses? Did you even hear the show?

Outlaw, no evidence for creation? When's the last time you saw a painting or building and had doubt there was a creator? Do you need faith to look at your house and know there was a builder? Even if you had never seen the builder, would you not know by the structure itself that there was a builder? You evo guys make it seem that specified complexity can just appear. And you are right, lots of evolutionists believe in god.I didnt mean to make a hasty generalization :)

Penn

Mohammed- 'My teachings lead to the attainment of truth'
Buddha- 'The truth has been revealed to me'
Jesus- 'I am the truth'

58

Do You Still Believe a God Cares for You?

by JosephAlward in

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friends

i've been a part of this forum for about one month, and during that time i've been struck by the willingness of many so former jehovah witnesses either to ridicule the bible, or to stand by while it's being ridiculed.

so, i'm wondering how many of them while witnesses suffered through experiences so searing that they no longer believe in the god of the old testament.. who among you still believe that underneath the layers of contradictions, inconsistencies, and errors in the bible there may be found the words of a god who created the universe, and who also cares about you, personally?.

joseph f. alward.

Unclepenn1

REM wrote- There is just as much evidence for the Invisible Pink Unicorn and Thor as there is for the Christian God (none). . May I ask on what evidence this decision was based?

[Me] When's the last time you saw someone with a PhD give a dissertation on the historical evidence of this Pink Unicorn? You are living in a fantasy world rem. Go read 'Evidence that demands a Verdict' by Josh McDowell. See if there is any evidence in there. He, along with others (Harvard Law Professor Simon Greenleaf) became Christians based soley on *historical* evidence. Greenleaf wrote the book on evidence that will hold up in court. Where is the evidence for this unicorn? You commit so many logical fallacies in your statement I pondered whether I should even oblige you.

Saint Satan said-I used to have all the answers. They ended up not fitting reality.

Then you go on to say that you believe in reincarnation. Doesn't make much sense to me SS. How is that fitting reality? Where is the evidence for reincarnation? So you *do* believe in a judgement day, but just hundreds of them over and over right?

Penn

Mohammed- 'My teachings lead to the attainment of truth'
Buddha- 'The truth has been revealed to me'
Jesus- 'I am the truth'

8

I saw Bob Dylan last nite

by ashitaka in

i saw bob dylan last nite and he rocked.

his voice and manner were amazing.

he played a 10 minute version of tangled up in blue.

Unclepenn1

I had a dream I saw Dylan last night. Seriously! There were all these couches up by the stage and this guy I work with brought me right up to the front and we were kickin it on these couches watching Dylan. And yes, the band did rock!

Penn

Saved- Slow Train Coming- Desire. Best 3 albums IMHO

Mohammed- 'My teachings lead to the attainment of truth'
Buddha- 'The truth has been revealed to me'
Jesus- 'I am the truth'

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New York Evolution Proof

by metatron in

jw
friends

if you ever get stuck going to brooklyn bethel and.

hearing about watchtower propaganda, you might want.

to look at an antidote.. the museum of natural history - in manhattan.. in the section on human origins, they have a skeleton.

Unclepenn1

Boy, you guys are easy to fool. Think about it. No one + Nothing = Everything. Make sense? Didnt think so.

Penn

"Hey Dr. Jones, look at this. This skeleton has a raised brow ridge and short legs' Woohoo! It's proof there is no God!'

Mohammed- 'My teachings lead to the attainment of truth'
Buddha- 'The truth has been revealed to me'
Jesus- 'I am the truth'

12

Wanna lose fat?

by Satanus in

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http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/11/18/nhs118.xml&ssh%20eet=/news/2001/11/18/ixhome.html .

ultrasound 'melts' away fat without surgery or dieting .

by lorraine fraser, medical correspondent.

Unclepenn1

Just think how much more people will stuff themselves now. I can see it now.........[anchorman]'In a related report, heart disease is on the rise'.....

Penn

Mohammed- 'My teachings lead to the attainment of truth'
Buddha- 'The truth has been revealed to me'
Jesus- 'I am the truth'

12

jw's just at my door

by beepers in

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i still am newly inactive (5 months).

i just moved to a new area, feeling pretty good about things.

finding out about myself and what i want from life for me and my daughter.. today my door bell rang.

Unclepenn1

Way to go Darlin! You did good :) Welcome.

Penn

Mohammed- 'My teachings lead to the attainment of truth'
Buddha- 'The truth has been revealed to me'
Jesus- 'I am the truth'

13

JWs Stopped By Today....

by Monica in

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a jw couple stopped by my house today.

i was typing away on my computer when there was a knock at my door.

i turned around and could see a guy in a suit and knew who it was!

Unclepenn1

Thanks for the story. I wish you could have played dumb a little bit more (I know hindsight is 20/20) and I wish you could have asked, 'Gee, didn't I hear somethng about you in the news recently?' and then bring up the UN thing and when they try and disregard it, go into great detail about how they have been sleeping with the Beast or something. I always wish I said things after the fact.

Penn

Mohammed- 'My teachings lead to the attainment of truth'
Buddha- 'The truth has been revealed to me'
Jesus- 'I am the truth'

12

honest question for unbiased bible scholars

by Bridgette in

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one of my interests is the study of people's belief systems (more from an anthropological standpoint).

i've just begun to delve into judaism.

everything i've relied upon for their history, etc.

Unclepenn1

Hey Bridgette, nice to see ya! I wanted to respond to your heartfelt post about Laree but never had time. Perhaps later, will you still read it? OK, about Jesus. The question being, did Jesus try and set up a new religion. The answer is no. But Jesus completed the Hebrew faith. If you look at the OT rituals, Passover, The Temple, the Mercy Seat, the scapegoat, the sacrifice, the High Priest, all were fulfilled in Christ. In fact, they have not much meaning to the ordinary Jew because they never saw the culmination of what they were symbols of. Everything in the OT points to Christ, from the water from the rock to the manna from heaven. Since the Jews rejected Jesus and are still waiting for a Messiah, they perform these holidays and rituals not knowing that it has already had its fulfillment. Christ is our High Priest, we do not need to go to a priest to confess sin or make a sacrifice (sorry Catholics). Christ is the scapegoat. The Jews would put the sins of Israel on a goat and release it in the desert. The other goat was a sacrifice for sin. Both were fulfilled in Christ. He is all and is in all. He is the High Priest, who makes intercession for us to God. He was also the Passover lamb. The Jews put blood on their doorposts to keep them from judgement and Christ is the lamb that was slain, keeping us from judgement.Anyway, there are lots more but that should give you an idea. Keep in mind that Jesus is the creator of the universe.(John 1, Col 1, Heb 1) So asking if He really thought He was to set up a new religion is kind of a strange question?

God Bless,

Penn

Mohammed- 'My teachings lead to the attainment of truth'
Buddha- 'The truth has been revealed to me'
Jesus- 'I am the truth'

15

Jesus

by ballistic in

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he must be weeping now.... * http://www.shoesofthefisherman.com/

Unclepenn1

The only thing He is weeping about is you rejecting Him :(

Penn

Mohammed- 'My teachings lead to the attainment of truth'
Buddha- 'The truth has been revealed to me'
Jesus- 'I am the truth'