Posts by Undine

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What Is Your Favorite Overlooked Movie?

by gilwarrior in

what i am talking about a movie that you thought was great, but is mostly forgotten by most people today.. well, my favorite overlooked movie is "a perfect world.

" in it kevin costner is an escaped felon who escapes from prison with another felon.

they then break into a house and kidnap a boy who is a (gasp!

Undine

The Scent of Green Papaya by Anh Hung Tran.
It was like watching a poem come to life!

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Love amongst the "brothers"

by Thirdson in

the one thing that jws claim is the love they have for one another.

i am well aware of some of the things that have been done in the congregation for members and i believe real love was shown.

in times of natural disaster jws have been very good at caring for their own.

Love amongst the "brothers"

by Thirdson in

the one thing that jws claim is the love they have for one another.

i am well aware of some of the things that have been done in the congregation for members and i believe real love was shown.

in times of natural disaster jws have been very good at caring for their own.

How dear of you to respond...Thank you for that...
I have gone through the ringer of working through the
system...and it has been to no avail. I have had her removed
from her fathers house via the police with court order in hand...
I got her out that time but she was like a stranger. It killed me.
That time I got her out, but another time he hid her at another
elders house!!!!! I went there to his door with the only friend I had in town,
and the "elder" with my daughter safely inside his wretched little house, had the nerve to point
his finger at us and say: "DO YOU GO TO MEETINGS???" Then the police (whom I'd
called) arrived, and the jw's ushered the police in the house while my friend and I stood on the doorstep in the cold, looking in.
I could go on and on about the hellacious ordeals my daughter has been put through...frankly, I am probably
talking too much...my god, the more I write the angrier I get...to be able to get it out and have a dialogue
about it with people, who like me, are on "the outside" feels very good...it was/is so horrendous. And then, to hear my daughter screaming to them that she does not want to go with me!!!!!!! The police sided with the jws and eyed ME as though I was a wretched woman!!! I felt as though I was in some sort of surreal nightmare. The whole religious issue is practically incomprehensible to those (the police, in this particular case) who do not have a clue about JWs and their clannish closedness.

I have, at great length explored the whole "Parental Alienation Syndrome" and I realize
that it is not only jw's who are guilty of this crime, but for myself? I blame jws and their seamy judgemental mores.
My x-husband being one of the petted elders in the whole sick arrangement!!!!!!!

My lawyer has taken a stand with me and helped me as much as she can
but she can only go so far without $$$ from me, and that I do not have, to the degree
I would need to take the whole matter back to court.

I have noone back there who could force my daughter out of the house. I could barely do it
myself. What these "people" have done is the blackest and ugliest thing.

You are so right Gopher, when you spoke of "denying access to her being on par with kidnapping"!!!!!!!!!!!
First, she was emotionally kidnapped which paved the way for what was to follow.

It is all so sick and so hard for me to believe and I have stuffed so much emotionally over the past few years.

Thank you for saying this: "The natural love of your daughter was hijacked from you. That's what you get for taking a stand."
Hearing these words come from someone who has been on the "inside" is like fresh water thrown on my face and makes me cry.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

Undine

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Love amongst the "brothers"

by Thirdson in

the one thing that jws claim is the love they have for one another.

i am well aware of some of the things that have been done in the congregation for members and i believe real love was shown.

in times of natural disaster jws have been very good at caring for their own.

Undine

I learned quickly that going against the grain of what is deemed
"right" will put you in a very lonely, unloving place, fast.

I made the decision to divorce my elder huband, with out "scriptural
grounds". (I'd been a "good sister" for nearly 25 years).

To this day, the words of my lawyer ring in my ears and they were "Get
a tight grip on your daughter because I believe your "husband" is going to do
everything in his power to take her away from you."

I told her that was preposterous! That my daughter and I were so close that
he could never wedge between us!!!

I was devastatingly wrong. When it became clear to the congregation that I
was divorcing "one of the glorious ones" the cold shoulder began. My daughter was
invited to "get togethers" with their moms but my child was invited alone, without
me, through her father. My daughter was force fed so many negatives about me
("your mother is worldly, so we can't say hi to her" to her father's blatant "your mother does not love
Jehovah" "talking to her is no better than talking to a worldly person off the street" etcetera, ad nauseum...)
and she finally succumbed to turning entirely against me. She reached a point where she
"believed" that she was afraid to be alone with me. (Of course I was snubbed by the elders and congregation,
but that would have been a piece of cake to endure by comparison to seeing my daughter turn against me).

I moved away and because we had joint custody I had a good feeling that getting her
as far away from "them" as possible would do her and our relationship a world of good.

But my x-husband did not and does not honor joint custody. He has been masterful at
manipulating what was a natural and undeniable truth, that is, my daughters love for me, into
nothingness. And all the while remaining a "pillar" in the congregation.

I have gone from many different angles to try to get my daughter back and they have
all been to no avail.

"Love among the brothers". What a blatant lie.

Undine

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Post your poems, or others' poems

by ashitaka in

this is my view of the witnesses, keeping to the jw theme here.

i'll post a nice love poem too to make up for it.. comon people, show me your work, or stuff that you like!.

ashi.

Undine

I am really enjoying everyone's poetry...

I wrote this one when I was coming out of the organization
and just beginning to reclaim my life.

~Sometimes I wear my life
And sometimes I watch it
Slats of wood, weather worn smooth
Telling me of familiar episodes

It's my eyes that've changed
That for days and years have seen the slats but
Have observed the melancholy quietness that has
Been pounded down deep and deep and even deeper
Into petrified silence
That never knew the word AWAKENING could be a kindred...
But it is...a word...that belongs to this bursting heart of mine~

Undine

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Whats the dumbest thing you were counselled for?

by Beck_Melbourne in

jw
friends

i was once counselled by the elders for watching 'knots landing'....it became widely known in the congregation that me and a few other sisters would rush home from field service to watch our favourite soapie.

if we missed it, we would ring each other up for an update...or...if we weren't near a tv we would ask someone to put the phone handset on the top of their tv so we could hear it...pathetic huh...but that was all the excitement we could scrounge up in our otherwise dull and uneventful lives.

one of the elder's wive's conscience got the better of her...and she confessed to her husband..lol.

Undine

I had a Guinness Stout sticker inside my car...
A circuit overseer saw it and "reported" me to the elders. Of course,
being the good witness that I was, I took the sticker off.
Sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Undine

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Open Letter To Jehovah's Witnesses

by Outaservice in

jw
friends

you may not remember, but i know you very well.

i met you a long time ago when you came to my house with your smiling faces, your neat clothes, and your soft voices, and a bible tucked neatly under your arm.

you told me many beautiful stories of a "paradise earth," and a "righteous new system" which would be established shortly.

Undine

Gaila,

That was brilliant. Simply. And I felt what you wrote
to my very core. Thank you for your beyond eloquent
words.

Warmly,
Undine

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Good news about my dad !

by Simon in

jw
friends

first off, many, many thanks for all the help & support over the last week or so.

it has been a tremendous help.

apologies if i haven't replied to every email i'd had .

Undine

Simon,

EXCELLENT NEWS!!!!!!!

Undine

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very alone..

by flower in

i know that people have been in the same boat as i am and have felt the same but i still feel very alone tonight.

and very depressed.

i dont think some people understand even here.

Undine

Flower Dear,

I am sorry that you are experiencing such a bad
night!!! And I can just imagine the aching feeling you must have
not being able to open up your heart to your mom and have her
unconditionally accept you. One day this could very well happen.
In the meantime, just thinking about "one day" does not bring much
solace, I know.

I know this because I hear people who are dear to me telling
me that "one day your daughter will return to you". My situation is
sort of the flip side of yours...it is my daughter, she is almost 16,
who will have nothing to do with me because I divorced her father with no "scriptural grounds". It has been over five years that I have experienced life without her and sometimes the ache is so intense that I wonder how I will make it through the day...

But I will tell you this...as the well worn saying goes, time is a remarkable healer. But sometimes, when you are trapped in a moment of grief and lonliness, it is hard to comprehend this.

I just know that there are many listening ears and open hearts for you here in this forum...I am one of them!!!

Love,
Undine

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Angelic Female Voices

by TR in

i re-discovered annie haslam after having listened to her on a new age station years ago.

i just downloaded several tunes, and am in love all over again.. now, i'm a hard rocker by nature it seems, but there's a few artists like annie haslam and enya that just make me melt.. any others out there i should know about?.

tr.

Undine

Yes, I agree with the others about Lisa Gerrard and Loreena McKennitt!!!

Also, Elizabeth Frazer (Cocteau Twins) is SUBLIME.

Undine